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Ratings War General #2: Triple Threat

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- Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:32:47 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6405710
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Demos! Total viewers! DVR numbers! Nielsen boxes! Playstation Vue numbers! RECORD. LOW. RATINGS. Showbuzz Daily! Love & Hip Hop!

This is the (continuing) all-purpose discussion thread for the 24/7 newscycle about Nielsen ratings for pro wrestling shows on tv: Raw, Smackdown, Backstage and the Wednesday Night Nuclear Arms Race between NXT and the upstart wrestling league AEW.
Previous thread here: >>6383235

Discussion of ratings for other wrestling shows (Dark side of the Ring, IMPACT, ROH, MLW, and WOW: Women of Wrestling) is allowed too if they chart.

link for stuff to follow
>http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/
>https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez
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Bobby Fish - Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:34:40 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6405712 Reply
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Friday Ratings: Fox’s ‘WWE Friday Night SmackDown’ Tops The Field
>Dutch philosopher Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus noted in the 16th century, “In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.” He wasn’t talking about Friday’s ratings, but he might as well have been.

>On a night almost entirely stacked with reruns/encores/repeats, Fox’s WWE Friday Night SmackDown provided an oasis of new content. The final night of the intercontinental championship tournament saw Daniel Bryan and AJ Styles face off for the title. The night is the prelude to the WWE’s eagerly awaited Backlash.

>The show had an 0.5 to lead the demo wars on the evening, although the largest audience honors went to a rerun of CBS’s Magnum P.I., which had a P2+ of 4051.
https://deadline.com/2020/06/friday-ratings-fox-wwe-friday-night-smackdown-tops-the-field-1202958540/
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Bobby Fish - Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:37:25 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6405716 Reply
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>Total Bellas - 693 viewers
>AEW Dynamite - 677k viewers
>WWE NXT - 673k viewers

TOTAL BELLAS RATINGS UP BIG FOR SEASON FIVE FINALE
>The season five finale of Total Bellas was the most watched episode of the show since season three.

>Last night's Total Bellas season finale averaged 693,000 viewers, up significantly from the 411,000 viewers that the show drew the previous week. The rating in the 18-49 demo was a 0.29, also up big from last week's 0.17.

>Total Bellas was eighth for the night on cable in the 18-49 demo.

>The previous high mark in viewership for this season was 600,000. The previous high in the 18-49 demo this season was a 0.25.
https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/total-bellas-ratings-big-season-five-finale-313146
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Jado - Sat, 13 Jun 2020 20:49:46 EST 3z9mtOnj No.6405777 Reply
>>6405717
It's been a long time since I legit lol'd at a wrestling meme. Kudos to you or whoever made it.

People really wanted to know the sex of that baby, huh?
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Generalissimo Takada - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:00:14 EST It2BUKqt No.6405967 Reply
>>6405716
Man, that's a bad photo of the Bellas.

…wait I'm being told this is a picture of their action figures.

How am I supposed to tell the difference, again?
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Sabu - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:08:47 EST jkHcIii8 No.6405971 Reply
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>>6405967
If you told me that this was just a photo of them run through some extra filters I'd believe it
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El Zorro - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 12:01:30 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6406876 Reply
Americans Are Watching a Lot Less TV Now That States Are Reopening
>If you want proof that the U.S. is easing out of quarantine, just look at TV ratings.

>After climbing in March and April — while Americans hunkered down under stay-at-home orders — live television viewership has begun to plunge again. Even Netflix Inc. and other streaming services, seen as more resilient than traditional TV networks, are suffering a slide in demand. Streaming-video use has fallen by more than 25% from its peak in early April.
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>The lockdown was good news for TV networks, which had gotten used to seeing ugly numbers week after week. After losing 15% to 20% of their audience from a year earlier, networks started to see some of those viewers trickle back. Audiences were only down a few percentage points for most of March and April, which is a victory for an industry that has endured steep declines for most of the past decade.

>But that little bit of good news didn’t last. TV networks are back to declines of 15% or more, and the drops are even steeper among kids’ TV networks.

News is the only winner. And sports is a big, big loser.
>If you wanted to come up with positive spin for TV, it would be this: Ratings are way down because of the absence of live sports. Just look at ESPN, where May viewership fell more than 60% from a year ago. The culprit there is easy to find: The NBA is on pause. TNT was way down, too. Both networks typically carry the league’s playoffs.

>But TV is also benefiting from unprecedented interest in news. Ratings for Fox News climbed 45% in the final four weeks of May, while CNN had an increase of 121%. And that was before the protests. It’s just not enough to make up for the broader declines.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-16/americans-are-watching-a-lot-less-tv-now-that-states-are-reopening
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El Zorro - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:56:20 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6406983 Reply
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>Week one of Bruce Prichard's reign on Raw was a positive one for him and WWE.

>The 6/15 edition of Raw brought in 1,929,000 overnight viewers, way up from the 1,737,000 overnight viewers they drew the previous week.

>More importantly, hour two actually grew from hour one and there wasn't a huge drop off in hour three. It will be interesting to see what happens next week without a PPV lead in.
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El Zorro - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:57:35 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6406984 Reply
>>6406983
>According to Showbuzz Daily, the June 15 episode of Raw averaged 1.938 million viewers, the best the show has drawn since the April 6 episode, which was the post-WrestleMania 36 episode of Raw.

>This is up from last week's 1.737 million viewers, making it the second straight week Raw's viewership went up, something that hasn't happened since February. This week's show also broke a four-week period where Raw failed to averaged more than 1.8 million viewers.

>In the 18-49 demographic, the show averaged a 0.52 rating, which is the same as last week's number. This week is up from the 0.49 rating the June 1 and up from what the 0.50 rating the May 25 episode drew. In the 18-34 demographic, Raw this week drew a 0.28 rating.
https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/wwe-raw-615-viewership-best-post-wrestlemania-36-episode
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Hector Guerrero - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:58:53 EST tzs2tHuX No.6406986 Reply
>>6406983
TBF it was a post PPV RAW and it advertised the return of in ring Christian in hour 3.
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Jobber - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:59:30 EST LZV3PmQM No.6406987 Reply
>>6406983
>Heyman gets taken off as Executive Director of RAW
>ratings go up

It's almost as if Heyman was the problem.
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Hector Guerrero - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:24:40 EST tzs2tHuX No.6407009 Reply
>>6406987
You could be right but hasn't Smackdown been really fucking bad?
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Ciclope - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 18:00:52 EST Ybchf0OF No.6407037 Reply
>>6406983

>Horrible Raw last night
>Ratings go up

How many people that watch Raw actually enjoy the product, and not watching to see how bad it is?
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Bobby Dempsey - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 18:03:11 EST BxsoGG2K No.6407039 Reply
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Dicks at the ready, gentlemen. She's gonna give Dynamite a ratings pop anytime she's on in the future
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Rocky Johnson - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 18:09:38 EST bsBg7jhv No.6407046 Reply
>>6407039
I'm still convinced that Penelope Ford's ass in wetlook pants was the real reason for those Best Friends and OC vs. Havoc and Sabian segments doing so well. Guy Fieri should be getting worried with this new difference maker
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Prince - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 20:35:08 EST lLyPkEhR No.6407108 Reply
>>6407004
Capitan Charisma could right the ship gents. He needs a modern tomko. Kross maybe?

WWE needs more Christian. ffs Wrestling needs more Christian in general. A peep can only dream of his arrival in NWA inserting himself into the world title scene again.
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Howard Finkel - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 03:42:41 EST cpQzPNnr No.6407205 Reply
>>6406987
Smackdown has been unwatchable since Prichard took over. I somehow doubt making Tozawa into a ninja is going to create quality programming.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 03:42:46 EST iLikEToleARn No.6407206 Reply
>>6407205
Anything I think DoW 2s multi is complete unwatchable garbage.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 04:49:54 EST iLikEToleARn No.6407219 Reply
>>6407218
The reason they did where he is still there: To get in front of thousands to go, cody just isn't how disorientation works, what happened, predictably, you made the DoW audience didn't know how significant the raises were, at this thru a spot that was in the very first match as the entire duration of the positive attention to it, but in different parts of the top.
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The Jackyl - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:21:39 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6408094 Reply
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WWE Backstage Rating Hits Four-Month High, Viewership Spikes
>WWE Backstage saw a major jump in the ratings this week, hitting the highest point in four months. Tuesday night’s episode, which featured Bret Hart as well was CM Punk’s latest appearance, brought in a 0.06 rating in the 18 – 49 demographic and 175,000 viewers. Those numbers are up double and 56% respectively from last week’s 0.03 demo rating and audience of 112,000.

>The demo rating was the best for the show since the February 11th episode, which also featured Punk, had a 0.06. The audience, on the other hand was the highest since Punk’s debut on the show on November 19th of last year.

>WWE Backstage ranked #110 among cable originals for the night per Showbuzz Daily.
https://411mania.com/wrestling/wwe-backstage-rating-four-month-high/
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Rikishi - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:09:18 EST T5Ycresu No.6408137 Reply
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>AEW 772k (0.28) up from 677k (0.23)
>NXT 746k (0.20) up from 673k (0.16)
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Antonio Inoki - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:13:00 EST LUMg+nxK No.6408141 Reply
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>>6408137
>GGG still has more viewers than both despite taking a week break but is lower in the rankings

Doesn't matter, we still in Flavortown baby
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Too Cold Scorpio - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:13:40 EST bTZFvTbr No.6408142 Reply
>>6408138
Meanwhile on Taima...
>653 / 358 AEW | 255 / 103 NXT | 0 GGG (someone show it damnit)
for the 40th week in a row or whatever, AEW still draws more than WWE

WILL THE TAIMA STREAK EVER BE BROKEN?!
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:39:28 EST cajoPv45 No.6408154 Reply
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>>6408141
Flavortown? Naw fam, this is the great State of Flavor. Guy is dimes.
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Io Shirai - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:02:25 EST n9eKBgQH No.6408170 Reply
>>6408150
You could say that for Forged in Fire, it will keeel (in the ratings)
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Rikishi - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 18:14:53 EST 3b06VQD1 No.6408240 Reply
fellow Good Guys, I think it's pretty obvious that NXT is not even a concern anymore so we should aim higher. that guy fieri is now our enemy #1. The Elite will rise again. Bitch.
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Antonio Inoki - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 18:25:32 EST LUMg+nxK No.6408252 Reply
>>6408240
>>6408247
>state of these geeks thinking they can invade flavor town

lmao come back when your skinny geeks like marko stunt are actually #Eating
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The Godfather - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 18:37:37 EST ekJZf1A0 No.6408272 Reply
>>6408240
I do be liking me some flavortown. But if it’s for the good of The Good Guys, then I’ll forever be #Elite.
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The Jackyl - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 19:00:02 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6408314 Reply
>>6408272
when The Good Guys stop getting mistaken for backyarders, then they can come to the #Cookout
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Harvey Wippleman - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:33:00 EST GqRU12lI No.6408393 Reply
>>6408137
that's a drastic increase for both wtf
what was there on tv last week that took so many viewers from them?
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Eddie Guerrero - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:31:02 EST cfOXxE22 No.6408692 Reply
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Fyter Fest will be a ratings massacre
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Krissy Vaine - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 08:51:31 EST dYhrmb6W No.6408736 Reply
>>6408692
>Fyter Fest will be a ratings massacre
Wasn't it just a few months ago where AEW marks were insisting NXT doing "PPV quality" matches on regular TV was "cheating?" Now AEW's giving away Fyter Fest for free on TV and it's fine?
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Eddie Guerrero - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 08:54:00 EST cfOXxE22 No.6408740 Reply
>>6408736
Fyter Fest was supposed to be the UK PPV, but it got cancelled due to COVID so they're hosting it on Dynamite instead
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 08:57:29 EST MqPOCghi No.6408741 Reply
>>6408740
Yeah basically the same situation with Impact and Rebellion. Should do well in the ratings.
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Cliff Compton - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:01:38 EST Ynl+K5T5 No.6408743 Reply
>>6408736
I don't remember that. I do remember NXT putting on 'PPV quality' matches and 'stacked cards' that still got beat in the ratings.
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Mike Awesome - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:37:41 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6408755 Reply
>>6408393
>what was there on tv last week that took so many viewers from them?
the news

the past few days have been relatively "quiet" with regard to protests and pandemic. but just wait, shit should kick up again real soon especially if Donald's rally turns into a giant shitshow
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Krissy Vaine - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:58:15 EST dYhrmb6W No.6408941 Reply
>>6408755
The rally's gonna be the same bullshit all of his other rallies have been, just repeating his "greatest hits" about fake news and building a wall, and more vague bullshit. The real news is going to come a week or two later when we see how many new cases of COVID pop up in Oklahoma.
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Mike Awesome - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:10:11 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6408955 Reply
>>6408946
as mentioned last week, you're better off dropping that in /wooo/tube especially if you're not going to stick around for any discussion and just want clicks for your video.

nb
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Krissy Vaine - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:54:26 EST dYhrmb6W No.6409094 Reply
>>6408743
>I don't remember that.
It was back in early April, when NXT moved all their matches originally planned for Takeover Orlando to weekly TV for two weeks. NXT beat them in the ratings both weeks, and AEW marks all complained that NXT was "cheating" by putting on good shows, and started ranting about demos.
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Krissy Vaine - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:56:29 EST dYhrmb6W No.6409096 Reply
>>6409094
Forgot to add, it's worth mentioning NXT just BARELY won both weeks despite the stacked cards though.

nb
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Scott Parker - Sun, 21 Jun 2020 16:33:30 EST RONamRxS No.6410280 Reply
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>>6409094
> this false narrative NXTeenie weenies are making
if by "putting on a good show" you mean literally airing a PPV card on TV, uh, sure, guess people "complained" about how bullshit that really is when people like you try to lay claim to it. You seem like upset about Fyter Fest//AEW than anyone was at NXT, and the fact you actively remembered the timeframe solely to throw it back at AEW fans means it bothered you more than anyone else. Projecting much, bud?
User is currently banned from all boards
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Hernandez - Mon, 22 Jun 2020 17:44:06 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6411257 Reply
>>6411251
It's bad enough I have to sift through your barely on topic GGG shit, could you please not use this place to flat out shitpost about it too
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Gavin Loudspeaker - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:05:11 EST +ext3BF7 No.6413278 Reply
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NXT: 786k
AEW: 633k
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Berlyn - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:06:06 EST JAsEro95 No.6413280 Reply
>NXT - 786,000

>AEW - 633,000

>GGG - 1,022,000
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Wade Barrett - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:07:55 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6413281 Reply
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>>6413280
>>6413278
> yfw ME TOO ruined Sammy G. as a main draw and caused this
> tfw in a rare turn of events, by some sort of MIRACLE, nxt actually won this week
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Dakota Darsow - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:08:08 EST Ybchf0OF No.6413282 Reply
Horrible night for AEW, viewership wise.
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PAC - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:08:12 EST LUMg+nxK No.6413283 Reply
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>>6413280
>When you take those geek wrestlers to flavortown AGAIN

Another win...for the Good Guy. #Eating
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Bobby Lashley - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:11:31 EST uJ3kdPRJ No.6413284 Reply
>>6413278
AEW honestly blows right now so it's not surprising. Doesn't help they are getting metoo'ed. Either way can't wait to see what excuses get summoned up
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Chase Owens - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:13:55 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6413289 Reply
I can't say I'm sad about AEW losing this week, punishing Sammy Guevara was fucking bullshit.
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Wade Barrett - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:18:33 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6413292 Reply
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>>6413289
Company standards / setting examples.
WWE wouldn't do shit about it but AEW has to set themselves apart.


Sucks really because you're not wrong, either. Sammy didn't deserve any time off, although it establishes the reality into his life and makes him actually learn from this.
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Ricky Ortiz - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:18:37 EST 0LNqFyCj No.6413293 Reply
Odd to see AEW get slaughtered for what was actually a very fun show. Will be pretty interesting to see how the 'specials' do for the next couple of weeks.
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Wade Barrett - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:20:59 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6413294 Reply
>>6413293
> Slaughtered
lol nice exaggerating there lil homie.

Small difference, not like we haven't seen bigger gaps in weeks prior while not labelling it a complete slaughter over something so miniscule.

100k is like, a 0.01 difference when a million ia 1.0
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Bobby Lashley - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:22:10 EST uJ3kdPRJ No.6413295 Reply
>>6413294
Cope harder that is a big kiss, and you almost lost MUH DEMO. Having people be that interested in the go home to your next TV special should worry you
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Dakota Darsow - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:24:16 EST Ybchf0OF No.6413297 Reply
>>6413293

>Will be pretty interesting to see how the 'specials' do for the next couple of weeks.

Makes me wonder if that's why NXT is doing the Great American Bash next week.
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Ricky Ortiz - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:24:35 EST 0LNqFyCj No.6413299 Reply
>>6413294
Losing by 150k is a massive downturn when they win viewership pretty comfortably most weeks. Just surprised that happened when they put on a pretty strong show. Could be related to the cancel shit, but I don't really see the link.
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Wade Barrett - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:27:02 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6413302 Reply
>>6413295
lol not as much as your typos have me worried for your mental health.

> Cope harder that is a big kiss
u wot?
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Sugar Sato - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:28:42 EST CrPeedgS No.6413304 Reply
Maybe don't take Sammy G off TV.
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KENTA - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:30:01 EST QQesQNiH No.6413306 Reply
>>6413278
>>6413292
Like with WWE, they still haven't even addressed Velveteen Dream's allegations, not even a statement like they did with Riddle or the UK talent. Really bizarre handling of it. Sammy screwed up but he was young and dumb and anyone in their 20s knows the kind of stupid shit you'll say. He's be alright.

More on topic, I doubt the #MeToo allegations had much of influence of the viewership for either show. People forget only a fraction of the fans use social media or pay attention to the dirtsheets. NXT had a bigger main event this week where AEW you didn't know what the main event was until half way through Santana vs. Matt Hardy. I don't see how NXT will beat AEW for the next two weeks because of how last second it all feels.
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Wade Barrett - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:31:15 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6413307 Reply
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>>6413299
Fair point until you act like something so big it's trended beyond the pro wrestling scene's fanbase (me too outcries) would have no correlation despite clearly being a significant happening within the same timeframe.
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Joe E. Legend - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:49:29 EST GqRU12lI No.6413318 Reply
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AEW was the better show but they deserved to lose anyways because they had absolutely nothing going on for their last fraction of the show after bending the knee for the cancel culture and aking Guevara out of the show, plus the Jericho segment main eventing was such a dumb decision, especially going against a main event with such high stakes
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Rizokahn - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:13:38 EST hTSUcuhc No.6413334 Reply
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>>6413280
>Ranked 4th in the key demo
>Gets over 1 million viewers
>People petition to rename his hometown Flavortown
HE JUST KEEPS WINNING
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Britani Knight - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:24:25 EST EGUogSgX No.6413339 Reply
you know what guys I've been thinking and ratings don't really mean anything if you think about it I don't know why people jump on them every week. that is not what pro wrestling is about so whatever in fact I didn't even look at the ratings this week so I don't know who won.

Good Guy out. Peace. ✌
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Sable - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:31:56 EST 6F1jz64c No.6413340 Reply
>>6413339
even if you're not wrong this post reeks of cope
ratings console wars are always a fun shitpost sideshow for as long as you don't actually take them as a metric of quality unironically
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MEN's Teioh - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:44:25 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6413354 Reply
>>6413340
It was fun when you could talk about ratings but now GGG fags spam the thread up with their inside joke (Much like circlejerk subtlety is lost on them)
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PAC - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:48:58 EST LUMg+nxK No.6413355 Reply
>>6413354
We used to make fun when love and hip hop beat raw in the ratings its nothing new
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Samoa Joe - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:51:19 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6413358 Reply
>>6413354
>It was fun when you could talk about ratings
TBF, what still needs to be said about ratings?
Raw drops year over year, faster and faster.
NXT and AEW are fighting over the same few hundred thousand folks
COVID has made viewership even worse for everything.
Pro Wrestling is not popular.

After that, the only thing that's interesting is maybe compiling Dave's quarter hour breakdowns to see which talents have moved the needle week over week. (So far, I think it's just Orange Cassidy and Hikaru Shida for AEW, Io Shirai for NXT.. in general the women, especially the japanese women are the only draws)
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Penny Banner - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:56:14 EST bTZFvTbr No.6413360 Reply
>>6413280
Sadly, NXT did not win the Taima ratings scuffle.

For the millionth week in a row, it went to AEW:
> 539 / 357 AEW
> 241 / 75 NXT
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Chris Masters - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:59:42 EST dYhrmb6W No.6413362 Reply
>>6413284
>AEW honestly blows right now so it's not surprising
Let's be real, both AEW and WWE are boring as hell right now. They're just spinning their wheels waiting for the COVID situation to be over.
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Wade Barrett - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 18:52:59 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6413380 Reply
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>>6413318
> Jericho segment as main event was a bad idea
Honestly Y2J is their best proven draw if you check the stats from Jericho and Sasha's little ratings posts about each other from recently. All of Jericho's segments out draw NxT for the most part, this one excluded because it was on short notice.

Really the pandemic and empty arenas kills the vibe on both shows regardless.
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Wade Barrett - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:00:52 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6413382 Reply
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>>6413358
> Pro Wrestling is not popular.
WHAT'S THAT GRANDPA?
JADED OUT OF TOUCH OLD MAN SYNDROME?

> Being Oblivious to the youth renewing Pro Wrestling into pop culture because they know Hogan's fiasco nearly FUCKED IT
> Not realizing Joyner Lucas//Eminem and countless hiphop artists are TO THIS DAY putting Pro Wrestling over for a new generation
whatever you say ya old Mark.

4hunnid raps about wrassling as well, Ric Flair is a known reference all across rap today, So many countless examples, not to mention RAVES and the entire EDM scene all show plenty of pro wrestling fandom in costumes and support the industry as well.

I mean sure you're a miserable sad fuck who likes tosses negatives around falsely if only to help alleviate your loneliness by making others miserable as you are but nah son you straight bullshit on this one.
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Ricky Ortiz - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:04:43 EST 0LNqFyCj No.6413384 Reply
>>6413382
You're having an absolute fucking 'mare all over the board, mate. Time to take a break.
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Sugar Sato - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:22:36 EST CrPeedgS No.6413394 Reply
>>6413382
You're really stupid if you honestly think that wrestling is popular.
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Samoa Joe - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:45:55 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6413404 Reply
>>6413380
the Jericho-Tyson segment also got outdrawn by Riddle vs Thatcher.

Jericho might be a draw but putting Jericho talking segments in the main event has backfired twice now.
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Ayako Hamada - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:28:12 EST ZcoAes5B No.6413451 Reply
>>6413292
What is there to learn though when you didn't do anything wrong to begin with?
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Sunny - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:51:29 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6413457 Reply
>>6413451
Publicly recording rape jokes about professional peers is wrong and you're wrong if you think otherwise.
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Taylor Wilde - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 22:05:52 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6413465 Reply
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>>6413457
Depending on your work environment I know gals and guys would be just fine all things considered and nobody would have even felt there was a chance of misinterpreted things getting out of hand.

Only reason WWE/AEW//Sasha and Sammy did anything about the outcry is because they are setting company examples, not because either of them feel they needed to actually communicate the responses to it all.
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Taylor Wilde - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 22:15:10 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6413468 Reply
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>>6413394
Right so I'll just pretend that I don't see it referenced on a near daily basis throughout pop culture and throughout the feeds of all kinds of people in my own life by their own volition. You realize how stupid and lonely you sound? I have witnessed so much attention paid to pro wrestling it feels like I am upper class fandom to your poor ass feeling like NO attention is paid; wrestling is rich in popularity today as as ever.


You seem to have confused popularity with being HOT. Sure as fuck it sucks today but it's definitely fucking popular enough that people talk about it; as I said, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST GENRE OF MUSIC TODAY? Oh! Hiphop and Pop music! Do the two reference and willingly draw attention to pro wrestling?! YYYYUP!

But here you are pretending it's not at all a popular topic of discussion despite all the world still having it in mind as much as ever. Only difference is people aren't fucking Marks nowadays.
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Sunny - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 22:28:00 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6413482 Reply
>>6413468
> I'll just pretend that I don't see it referenced on a near daily basis throughout pop culture
examples?
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Karen Jarrett - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 22:38:12 EST bTZFvTbr No.6413503 Reply
I've been waiting so long for the salt when AEW finally took a huge dive in the ratings and NXT won fair and square.

But remember....it's not a war. And sooner or later one show needs to change days.
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Alex Wright - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 22:45:45 EST tzs2tHuX No.6413512 Reply
>>6413503
At the end of the day WWE programming is just bad and unenjoyable to me and AEW is decent to good. That's my personal opinion and watching one out of brand loyalty is lame as fuck. WWE just consistently puts on bad television shows for two decades while AEW fucks up sometimes but is pretty good for the most part.
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Little Egypt - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:26:53 EST bmAXYm9x No.6413614 Reply
It frustrates the fuck out of me that we have people who will STILL choose to watch WWE. How. That AEW vs. NXT number is baffling, even with NXT's "strong" main event. Like the reality is, multiple people from the NXT brand have been credibly accused of either grooming or sexual assault. AEW dealt with their accusations clearly and obviously. WWE literally didn't test their people for months. And yet these mouthbreathers that watch every week just don't give a shit. It's genuinely disheartening as to how many people can still watch WWE.
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Taylor Wilde - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 05:25:18 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6413635 Reply
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>>6413482
You expect a list of that magnitude, on the spot?

Give me a week or so, I'll compile what I can.
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Meiko Satomura - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 06:24:53 EST KgqYShQJ No.6413645 Reply
>>6413512
Newsflash of the fucking century; resident board junkie doesnt like wwe. Oh wait you only mention something concerning that every fucking day
Also you watch impact with beyond obvious brand loyalty, and go into a hissy fit when people have legitimate critcisms of it IE: tessa fiasco. I guess you are pretty lame as fuck
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:54:48 EST M1ahJWky No.6413699 Reply
>>6413339
judging wrestling programs by ratings is a hold over from the monday night wars period, and anyone who judges a program by the ratings rather than their own enjoyment is dumb as fuck and probably needs to be spoonfed all their wrestling opinions.

That's why it's fun to post GGG here.
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Taylor Wilde - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:45:38 EST yf8hqVs8 No.6414000 Reply
>>6413661
likely the intent of the post as you just have gotten worked tbh.
Reads more like an £-dr0n3 in disguise trying to openly make AEW fans look as upset as they'd like them to look. Levels to this irony game, bruh.
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Naomi - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:59:53 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6414977 Reply
The Undertaker Tribute Boosts WWE SmackDown Ratings
>This week's Friday Night SmackDown on FOX 'Tribute to The Undertaker' episode saw the blue show's average rating increase by nearly 5%, according to Showbuzz Daily.

>The overnight average for the show came in at 2.174 million and it also scored a 0.5 in the always important 18-49 demographic. This was the joint number one score on the night, alongside Shark Tank and 20/20.

>Fans clearly enjoyed re-watching the now-legendary Boneyard match between 'Taker and AJ Styles, along with the other various video tributes to the recently 'retired' icon of professional wrestling. Also on the show, Braun Strowman challenged Bray Wyatt to a Swamp match at Extreme Rules: The Horror Show and Bayley learned she will defend her SmackDown Women's title against Nikki Cross at the upcoming July 19 PPV.

>The main event saw Jeff Hardy conquering 'King' Corbin after the latter insulted 'The Phenom' earlier in the show. Hardy then ended the tribute by dropping down to one knee and paying homage to the 'Demon of Death Valley'.

>It'll be interesting to see where WWE go from here, as they can't rely on a 'Taker-centric show to boost ratings every week.

>Perhaps next week's 'Toast to Jeff Hardy' will prove to be a similar success?
https://whatculture.com/wwe/the-undertaker-tribute-boosts-wwe-smackdown-ratings
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Adam Bomb - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 20:01:43 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6414978 Reply
Chris Jericho - Orange Cassidy Segment Draws Record Low Quarter, More AEW Vs. NXT Ratings Notes
>As previously reported, NXT scored their biggest victory over AEW Dynamite this past Wednesday.

>NXT averaged 786,000 viewers, which was up 5.4% from the week prior and was their second best number of the year, behind only the February 19th show. It scored a 0.19 rating in the 18-49 demo, which is on the higher end of what the show has been doing in the demo since the pandemic. However, the 18-49 demo was down 5% from last week's 0.20, and the gains in viewership this week were in 18-34 as well as 50+.

>AEW Dynamite did 633,000 viewers, which was down 18% from the week prior and was the lowest audience for the show in history. It also scored a 0.22 rating in 18-49, which was their lowest rating ever in the demo. They were down in all demos from the week prior.

>NXT topped Dynamite by 24% in total viewers, the largest margin for an NXT win in history. AEW Dynamite still beat NXT in the 18-49 demo, however it was by the smallest margin this year. NXT only holds one victory over Dynamite in 18-49 so far, which was on December 18, 2019.

>NXT won every quarter except for the second, according to Dave Meltzer in the latest issue of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter. Meltzer added on Wrestling Observer Radio that Dynamite actually opened with 744,000 viewers, which was a decent opening, however lost viewers in every quarter except for the ending of the FTR vs. SCU match.

>The main event on NXT between Keith Lee, Finn Balor and Johnny Gargano was the big hit on Wednesday night. While Dynamite won in 18-49 overall, NXT won the final two quarter hours in the demo, despite AEW featuring Chris Jericho (their biggest ratings draw), Matt Hardy and Orange Cassidy during those quarters. The NXT main event beat the Jericho - Cassidy segment that closed Dynamite by 54%, 852,000 viewers to 552,000. The Jericho - Cassidy segment was down 26% from the first quarter and was the lowest quarter in the show's history.

>In the 18-49 demo, AEW opened with 379,000 viewers, but was down 37% to 238,000 viewers for the final segment.

>Dynamite was in 17th place for the night in 18-49 (8th among non-news shows), while NXT was in 26th place (12th among non-news shows).

>This week's Dynamite will feature week one of Fyter Fest, while NXT will present week one of The Great American Bash.
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/06/aew-vs-nxt-ratings-notes-chris-jericho-orange-cassidy-671938/
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Mark Jindrak - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 20:11:34 EST pTnrNlt3 No.6414985 Reply
>>6414978
>The Jericho - Cassidy segment was down 26% from the first quarter and was the lowest quarter in the show's history.
I hope this finally puts a stop to the forced meme that Orange Cassidy is a draw.
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Doug Basham - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 20:50:00 EST 0LNqFyCj No.6415003 Reply
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>>6414978
>NXT won every quarter but the second
>all those Best Friends vs. Sabian and Havoc segments drew and Meltzer gave all the credit to Orange Cassidy

And what did we have in quarter #2? >>6407046

Presenting: AEW's REAL drawing card
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Veronica - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 20:56:41 EST GQYFmdFo No.6415006 Reply
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>>6414978
> Orange Cassidy gave the biggest L to date to AEW
WELP. I guess the Yellow brand beats Orange.

Time for AEW to turn it around and begin the next undefeated streak
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Daniel Puder - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:07:36 EST JAsEro95 No.6415907 Reply
>NXT - 792,000

>AEW - 748,000

>GGG - 991,000
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Nigel McGuinness - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:09:58 EST KIVIn/t0 No.6415910 Reply
>>6415907
called it
NXT has this in the bag next week as well now that the main event has been postponed, and god knows what they'll plan to counter AEW at Fight for the Fallen too
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Shawn Michaels - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:10:55 EST wPdpVXqV No.6415911 Reply
>>6415907

How embarrassing. I guess Vince was right, it is a marathon not a race.
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Tyler Black - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:11:23 EST ZBx9HtyF No.6415913 Reply
>>6415907
Fuck AEW
Fuck AEWtist
Fuck Cody
Fuck Taz
Fuck DEAN AMBROSE
Fuck Kenny Omega
Fuck The Revival
Fuck Cage
Fuck JR
Fuck The Young Bucks
Fuck Arn Anderson
Fuck Private Party
Fuck Dave Meltzer
Fuck Bryan Alvarez
Fuck Voices of Wrestling
Fuck Garrett Kidney
Fuck Tony Khan
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Dusty Rhodes - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:14:05 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6415916 Reply
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thank you sasha for drawing the house

eat shit charlotte
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Lana Star - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:15:44 EST Ybchf0OF No.6415918 Reply
>>6415911

>Embarrassing
>Better outing for AEW compared to last week, and NXT only won by 44,000 viewers.
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The Warlord - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:17:54 EST ZcoAes5B No.6415920 Reply
See this is why suspending Sammy was a huge mistake, you need charismatic stars if you want to get ratings. Sammy elevates every segment he's in and very clearly has a huge future in the business. Taking him off TV because some twitter thots got mad is just bad business and AEW is hurting for it.
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Dusty Rhodes - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:21:58 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6415922 Reply
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>>6415920
Sammy has never moved the needle.

Now the woman he was making fun of on the other hand...
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Tina Ferrari - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:23:19 EST BxsoGG2K No.6415924 Reply
No crowds hurting AEW more and more as time goes on and America is doing its best to make sure no crowds continues for the rest of the year.
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Drew Gulak - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:24:37 EST F0GQCVdC No.6415926 Reply
>AEW still won the demo and added 100k viewers
Even when they lose they win
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The Jackyl - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:25:09 EST dYhrmb6W No.6415927 Reply
>>6415920
Nobody's tuning in to AEW to see Sammy Guevara of all fucking people. He's a good part of the roster, but he's not a star by any stretch of the imagination.
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Lin Bairon - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:31:48 EST T5Ycresu No.6415932 Reply
AEW by all rights should have won this week, I'm getting worried
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Dusty Rhodes - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:33:23 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6415933 Reply
>>6415932
>AEW by all rights should have won this week
based on what?

Io, Sasha & Bayley and Asuka have all been presented well in the covid era
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Nigel McGuinness - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:33:44 EST KIVIn/t0 No.6415934 Reply
>>6415932
no, NXT was the better show and had a much stronger main event. AEW has been the better show for months, but this time around they deserved to win
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April Hunter - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:34:40 EST tzs2tHuX No.6415935 Reply
Both shows were underwhelming but one has LAX.
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Jungle Grrrl - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:38:05 EST pTnrNlt3 No.6415939 Reply
>>6415938
Next week will be an even more brutal mogging. If NXT decides to run a big program against FftF, it's all over.
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Tyler Black - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:38:26 EST ZBx9HtyF No.6415940 Reply
>>6415934
But Voices of Wrestling said that NXT sucked before they even watched the show.
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Nigel McGuinness - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:41:47 EST KIVIn/t0 No.6415942 Reply
>>6415940
Voices of Wrestling is the shittiest wrestling opinionist i've seen on Twitter
>>6415941
you don't think that's the case? all it takes is a good main event and Fight for the Fallen is ded in the water
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Dusty Rhodes - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:46:51 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6415947 Reply
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>>6415940
that's cause you're missing the real story

That'll be $5 a month.
*coughs*
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April Hunter - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:48:27 EST tzs2tHuX No.6415949 Reply
>>6415942
Losing in ratings by 40 000 people doesnt really mean shit. In fact these ratings dont mean much. Nothings dead in the water. They are fighting for the same 1.3 million neckbeards every week and the scale barely ever tips to far in either direction and the weight some people put in this shit is funny.

Maybe nxt will beat them by a whole 100 000!! Aew is finished!!!
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MEN's Teioh - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:51:42 EST LUMg+nxK No.6415953 Reply
>>6415947
The fuck is the real story?

Imagine paying 5 dollars to hear some bullshit
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Atlantis - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:55:12 EST JC9WWRCu No.6415955 Reply
>>6415953
Demo breakdowns. So, some of the dullest shit you could ever care about, let alone pay for.
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Jungle Grrrl - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:26:44 EST pTnrNlt3 No.6415959 Reply
>>6415956
WWE just filed a trademark for "WrestleWar" which was used by the NWA and WCW, which held Wargames matches while used in WCW. Might be exciting.
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Taz - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:30:21 EST YSl9pXfE No.6415963 Reply
>>6415926
>It was HER turn!
Shut the fuck up. AEW is declining and people are finally getting bored of the same old vanilla flippy midget shit, deal with it.
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The Jackyl - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:40:54 EST dYhrmb6W No.6415967 Reply
>>6415956
I know this isn't the point of the tweet, but technically Cody owns Bunkhouse Stampede. That's one of the old WCW/NWA trademarks he snatched up when WWE let them expire (at the same time when he trademarked Bash at the Beach).
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Dusty Rhodes - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:45:39 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6415970 Reply
I really hope AEW takes a step back and re-evaluates because they are slowly falling apart.

>Hager is ratings poison and no one gives a fuck he beat some literal whos in Bellator
>OC fucking SUCKS. He was good/fine in a group, but ever since Double or Nothing I couldn't give a fuck. Imagine your gimmick is that your SO LAZY you won't set up a ladder in order to win a ladder match for a title shot. Anyone who defends this nonsense is part of the problem
>A handful of meaningless tag matches doesn't make anyone look better. Stop doing them. Maybe spend some of the time promoting your womens division so it can reach a new demographic (You know, like the competition whose name you cant keep out of your mouth)
>Have actual storylines instead of 95% of them being "guy A dislike guy B, we have tag match then singles match".
>Have a fucking title change once in awhile. There is no reason for Best Friends to not be champion after you spent half a fucking year with them front and center
>Stop the sloppy fucking wrestling where its clear as day guys are just waiting to catch each other. Nothing makes me turn the channel faster than watching someone standing still not selling waiting for the other guy to run across the ring to do some retarded flip

>>6415960
What an insufferable fuck. How about instead of taking pot shots at WWE you look inward and fix the numerous flaws in your own product.
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William Perry - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:46:18 EST cfOXxE22 No.6415972 Reply
>>6415960
>WWE's ratings are literally held up by 60 year old boomers

Always makes me laugh
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Dusty Rhodes - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:48:27 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6415975 Reply
Also I forgot to mention AEW is going to get FUCKING CURB STOMPED next week.

>No matches of note except the OC/Jericho (which people are tuning out of that OC nonsense)
>NXT probably crowning Keith Lee as double champion (Finally ending Cole's reign of fucking terror)

I am guessing AEW 590k NXT 810k, and AEW will not recover with Keith Lee/Sasha Banks consistently appearing (As they have actual charisma)
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Dusty Rhodes - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:50:32 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6415978 Reply
>>6415973
Defend the spot where he could have won a fucking title shot unopposed but was too "lazy" to lift up a ladder, I dare you.

It was retarded and made no fucking sense at all. Imagine being a pro wrestler whose character doesn't care about being champion in the promotion they are a part of. It's fucking idiotic and OC jumped the shark massively after the PAC match.
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Lin Bairon - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:55:08 EST T5Ycresu No.6415982 Reply
Yuka and Riho were ratings draws and now because of COVID they can't be brought in to AEW
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Jim Ross - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:55:59 EST jEGuiRVR No.6415983 Reply
>>6415970
>>6415975
Good grief, cool your jets chief. You're not gonna be able to sleep tonight with all that adrenaline pumping through your veins.
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Dusty Rhodes - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:03:38 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6415988 Reply
>>6415981
It was illogical and broke my suspension of disbelief. It's one thing to be lazy, another to literally not care about being the best at the thing you are competing at.

>>6415983
It's frustrating to watch something you enjoy transform into WCW in real time.
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Ax - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:06:42 EST vXRwwSQy No.6415990 Reply
>>6415947
You need to be absolutely fucking deranged to pay money to listen to some dorks talk about wrestling ratings.
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Sinister Minister - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:13:25 EST NbxmdHMb No.6415993 Reply
Really cool to go through old Observers from the late 90s for the ratings talk and how there is usually few to zero mention of demos. Just who won what quarter and who won overall for the viewership number.
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April Hunter - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:17:03 EST tzs2tHuX No.6416001 Reply
>>6415993
Im excited for 2030 and the only people with vable TV are 80 year olds who watch WWE
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Jungle Grrrl - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:17:03 EST pTnrNlt3 No.6416002 Reply
>>6415993
It's literally just a coping mechanism. It's why you never hear talk about the demos for shows like Raw and Smackdown; them consistently being in the top section of the charts isn't a story, but the smaller total viewership number is what draws the most attention.
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Sinister Minister - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:18:41 EST NbxmdHMb No.6416005 Reply
>>6415997
I was going through one from October '98 on how wrestling affects Monday Night Football. Zero mention of demos outside of a blurb about Nitro beating Raw in 22-54 and 55+ but losing 18-24

The paragraph was more heavily focused on overall viewers, not the demo
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Sinister Minister - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:21:12 EST NbxmdHMb No.6416007 Reply
>>6416002
It is such a blatant double standard. I respect them a lot but it is ridiculous. They are fair to point out record low numbers, but you can't then ignore their own success in the 'key demo'. Which I know advertisers want. But famously wrestling never got good advertisers anyway until WWE went PG
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KAGETORA - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:41:14 EST bTZFvTbr No.6416009 Reply
>>6415907
NXT may have got more people watching, but on Taima AEW was still ahead...
> 863 / 363 AEW
> 446/117 NXT

NXT did get more viewers thsn usual though, but what would it take for NXT to get the higher total in the Taima shit flinging contest? Or can AEW truly do nothing wrong?
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April Hunter - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:45:24 EST tzs2tHuX No.6416011 Reply
>>6416009
Most people who wqtch WWE are boomers who don't know about taima. Not a lot of 60 year olds using it.
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Jimmy Jacobs - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 19:22:15 EST 4pyknXit No.6416022 Reply
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Great American Bash? More like the Greatest Pile of Trash

Fyter Fest Night 1's worst match of the night (Swagger/Rhodes) was leaps and bound better then virtually every single match that NXT had on its Week 1 card.

Why was week one literally entirely dedicated to getting over Sasha, Bayley, Io and Rhey it was strictly a women's focused NXT card that night.
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The Jackyl - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 19:27:09 EST dYhrmb6W No.6416025 Reply
>>6416023
Nah, the viewers who were the key demographic during the Monday Night Wars are all Gen Xers (i.e. in their 40s now). People Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan's age are literal Boomers.
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April Hunter - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 19:34:36 EST tzs2tHuX No.6416029 Reply
>>6416018
And everyone on taima is 20-40ish. Thats the point. 60 year old turds dont go on taima so nxt numbers will never get better. Not that it matters.
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JTG - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:25:47 EST pTnrNlt3 No.6416049 Reply
>>6416029
>Not that it matters.
Exactly, Taima numbers don't move the dial at all for the success and failure of a fed.
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Crimson - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:29:12 EST rqbeZnm6 No.6416050 Reply
>>6416049
I always thought the tamia numbers just got posted for fun. Nobody actually takes them as a serious metric, right?
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Johnny Kidd - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:37:47 EST QSYhnRQX No.6416055 Reply
I'm really glad that both audiences were higher this week! I'm super excited to see OC VS Jericho next week, I really hope this is his breakout match. I might download NXT later because I still wanna check out the Oney Lorcan match and it sounds like Io vs Sasha was a great match
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Jonny Fairplay - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:57:56 EST jEGuiRVR No.6416059 Reply
>>6416050
Tamia numbers favour AEW, so do posts in wooo and circlejerk threads. Generally more Twitter buzz too and they nearly always win the 'key demo''

AEW has also won the ratings war 31 times to NXT's 7. AEW loses a few weeks and people are going on like they're in some kind of trouble. NXT wins a few and Stamford wives are acting like mongs out on day release.
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Repo Man - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 21:13:04 EST /QSOXPNJ No.6416063 Reply
>>6416007
>>6416002
>>6415993
Dave didn't talk about demos 20 years ago because total viewers was all that advertisers cared about. Because of how viewing habits have changed since, advertisers value individual demos more than overall viewers. The reason he emphasizes demo with AEW/NXT ratings is because of how well they are doing relative to their tv rights fees. Smackdown and Raw's demos are pitiful compared to the money they are making right now, even if they are typically top 5 in the 18-49 in a given night.
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Repo Man - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 21:33:07 EST /QSOXPNJ No.6416072 Reply
>>6416065
Streaming, drop in cable subscriptions, there are a lot more DVR's now than there were 20 years ago
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Cheex - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 21:43:31 EST NbxmdHMb No.6416075 Reply
>>6416072
Those are all a fraction of a hit to cable TV. Even Dave mentions cord cutting hasn't been that much.
DVRs, streaming, etc somehow means the 18-49 demo matters now instead of 20 years ago?
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Brian Pillman - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 21:46:05 EST Sisj5G0M No.6416077 Reply
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NXT main event was really good, but Dynamite was a way better episode overall.
>imagine giving a shit about ratings
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Repo Man - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 21:53:45 EST /QSOXPNJ No.6416081 Reply
>>6416075
It's just advertisers taking advantage of having more knowledge in the current day. I can't really explain why there's been such a dramatic shift but there's a reason every nielsen aggregate sorts by 18-49 and not total viewers
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Brian Adams - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:23:33 EST tzs2tHuX No.6416087 Reply
>>6416075
Dave always says that but he is just wrong. I dont know one person who has cable unless they are 50
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Ring Ryda Blue - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 00:18:44 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6416117 Reply
>>6416087
I have FIOS through Verizon and any of the good speeds comes with "free" TV. I doubt its counted though
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Danny Doring - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 00:20:53 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6416118 Reply
>>6416087
Who you know isn't the literal 90 million households that still have cable.
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Brian Adams - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 00:35:21 EST tzs2tHuX No.6416120 Reply
>>6416118
Its not that I dont think people have it. Its just nowhere near the same as it was in the 90s. Way more people watch on devices than he thinks.
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Johnny Kidd - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 00:37:48 EST QSYhnRQX No.6416122 Reply
>>6416087
I have cable and I'm 30. Like it's mostly because the combo is so cheap because I live in the woods but still!
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Danny Basham - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 01:57:55 EST UN5++U72 No.6416134 Reply
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>>6416127
>nooooooooo!!! total ratings don't fucking matter!!! key demographics!!! long term planning!!! tag teams and audience feedback!!! it doesn't fucking count otherwise!!! this isn't even fucking fair!!! *shits khaki shorts like a bumbling retard*
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Larry Zbyszko - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 02:36:23 EST M/aK+CnB No.6416140 Reply
>>6416137
the whole world is sad it's a pandemic.


Nothing is worth watching besides Food right now
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Nigel McGuinness - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 04:32:28 EST uWPOtgY+ No.6416148 Reply
>>6416134
Demographics, overall ratings, increasing/decreasing viewers, A show vs C show, etc. Both parties are going to move the goalpost in every direction and it never stop being dumb as fuck.
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Mister ZERO - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:33:37 EST dYhrmb6W No.6416243 Reply
>>6416127
Jesus Christ, he's gone from "um actually they won the demo" to sperging out over demos in individual quarter hours. He's coping harder than Jericho.
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Torrie Wilson - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:42:46 EST cfOXxE22 No.6416245 Reply
>>6416127
Why do people get so incredibly angry when Dave makes statements backed up with actual figures and logic?
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Beef Wellington - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:44:38 EST 3Nx+I7b8 No.6416246 Reply
Honestly all this discussion about Overall Viewers vs Demo and all that shit is tiring as fuck. The only reason I still care about "ratings" is for one simple fact: I want AEW to continue to exist on television. Because I like it. I don't give a fuck if NXT becomes the next RAW in the 90s, I don't care if Vince makes 50 billion dollars, I don't give a fuck if HHH wanks himself off every night to an altar of himself. I like AEW, AEW needs good ratings to continue to air. If they get that I don't give a shit if they lost to nxt by 2 million viewers.

I don't even think this is something to worry about because the show got renewed by TNT for 4 years within 6 months of airing. But still, it's nice to know that the show is doing fine and I don't have to worry about it being canceled.
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Babe the Farmer's Daughter - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:45:57 EST LUMg+nxK No.6416247 Reply
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>>6416245
because to the layman, its all irrelevent data, what do we get out of knowing the age breakdown of ratings? Its something stupid to even be talking about. just who had the higher total numbers would suffice. Like someone said, we didn't have these stupid age breakdowns during the MNW.

Just watch GGG anyway, its a better show.
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Repo Man - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:58:49 EST /QSOXPNJ No.6416248 Reply
>>6416245
based on his usual twitter detractors I think a lot of people don't even know the newsletter exists
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Torrie Wilson - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:07:40 EST cfOXxE22 No.6416249 Reply
>>6416247
I mean if people enjoy being ignorant then that's fine, but they shouldn't then start attacking a guy who's trying to contextualise it and educate people on how to properly interpret the data in a meaningful way
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:07:44 EST iLikEToleARn No.6416250 Reply
>>6416249
Even the best heels in WWE watch along. Everyone, with her in a major event, and who's also the fact that they put that on 8/19)
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Byron Saxton - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 15:14:33 EST T5Ycresu No.6416261 Reply
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AEW main event got fucking SPANKED by NXT
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Jonathan Barber - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 15:45:05 EST vCkiVt97 No.6416266 Reply
>>6416245
Even if Dave is presenting factual numbers, it comes off as him desperately splitting hairs to rework the narrative from "NXT beat AEW" to "NXT did the bigger number, but AEW technically won if you look at quarterly numbers in the one specific demo that's allegedly all-important"
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Jonny Fairplay - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 15:59:04 EST jEGuiRVR No.6416268 Reply
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>NXT is over huge with pervy old sirs
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Crimson - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:06:13 EST rqbeZnm6 No.6416300 Reply
>>6416268
Old people and NXT is one of the weirdest things to me. None of the old wrassle fans I've known like workrate or new wrestlers, so it's fucking weird to me that you've got a bunch of 50+ dudes tuning in to see Adam Cole and Sasha work faux PWG style matches.
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CM Punk - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:07:34 EST K20kw6yS No.6416302 Reply
>>6416300
what is the USA lead in? Maybe they fall asleep and leave it on after that
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Bob Armstrong - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:17:07 EST zNyQb9LL No.6416306 Reply
Just yesterday I was feeling like I didn't give a shit about wrestling but Thatcher-Busick was pretty cool
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Joey Ryan - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:26:20 EST Td7mmGNM No.6416317 Reply
>>6416266
>allegedly
That's the thing, it isn't alleged that's just reality hence why when the ratings come out they're presented through how much that demo does because it's the money demo. Old people generally know what brands they like and stick to it whereas that demo is way more likely to be swayed by advertising.
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JTG - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:28:26 EST pTnrNlt3 No.6416321 Reply
>>6416317
What brands has AEW secured advertising for with this all-important demo? I'm curious, since Mountain Dew is Great American Bash's main sponsor, and that definitely isn't a boomer brand.
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Jonny Fairplay - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:59:39 EST jEGuiRVR No.6416348 Reply
>>6416321
That's not how it works, fam. AEW does not have a say what brands appear during the ad-breaks. I don't generally pay attention to what brands appear during the show, but a few weeks ago they had HBO Max advertising around the ring. Is that big enough for you?
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Jazz - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 20:41:07 EST dYhrmb6W No.6416368 Reply
>>6416348
HBO Max isn't a paying sponsor. Warner Media owns TNT and HBO, and basically ordered AEW to push the streaming service (even though Dynamite isn't even on HBO Max).
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Ortvatistadon - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 20:45:21 EST M/aK+CnB No.6416370 Reply
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>>6416368
interesting point.

I guess for Your sake I'll start giving a shit about who "sponsors" a company owned by one of the 60 richest humans in existence like it matters if their sponsors outclass Mountain Dew or not.
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Lacey Von Erich - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 20:57:31 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6416375 Reply
>>6416348
>AEW does not have a say what brands appear during the ad-breaks
Yes they can. That's what a show sponsor is. That's why WWE had fruity fruity delicious skittles
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Candice Michelle - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 22:39:03 EST zNEGQmM2 No.6416416 Reply
>>6416375
Ad-breaks and show sponsors aren't the same thing though. AEW does not have a say what commercials air during their commercial breaks, just like WWE don't. Brands want those commercials to reach the best audience. The key demo is the 'best' audience because they're seen as the most likely to part with their money, Google something on their phone, tweet about it etc etc.

It's really not the coping mechanism or conspiracy you seem to believe.
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John Zandig - Sat, 04 Jul 2020 12:00:52 EST /YsP7rdR No.6416550 Reply
>>6416370
Do you think those people dont want to make money on their investment? Indomt know what NXT has, but getting a direct sponsorship has always been huge, because it directly dodges the ad industry paying less fornspots during wrestling shows. Unless TNT is doing like a bundle lime they did with WCW.
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Mt. Fiji - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:21:10 EST jEGuiRVR No.6417783 Reply
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>Is this the end of WWE?
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:34:02 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417787 Reply
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>>6417783
>this week's show did a better rating in 18-49 demo than last week

People have to pick one or the other: are they laughing at total viewers dropping or pointing out that demo numbers are still good?

It can't be one way for AEW and another way for WWE
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Vito Thomaselli - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:36:52 EST xjW/Ltvy No.6417788 Reply
>>6417787
I don't understand why 90 Day Fiance is so popular, likely the only form of televised entertainment more gay and fake than professional wrestling.
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:40:39 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417791 Reply
>>6417788
because people are dumb and like trashy reality TV and Fox News, and they have lots in common with professional wrestling in terms of working an audience
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Stinky the Homeless Guy - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:41:35 EST 2LfjRVoR No.6417792 Reply
>>6417787
Because people like to claim WWE BAD whole supporting a show that is becoming more WWE-lite every day
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Eddie Kingston - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 12:32:44 EST UMacSvZd No.6417807 Reply
>>6417787
Here is a good way for everyone to get on the same page: Close your eyes and stop giving a shit about how many neckbeards are watching crowdless wrestling shows filled with sex offenders and marks bro.

Watch castrating the marks.
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 12:54:42 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417809 Reply
>>6417806
there is not a single wrestling television show on TV that has grown its audience. every single one has declined.
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 13:19:12 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417812 Reply
>>6417811
>>6417810
ok and? that doesn't refute what i said. (and the non wwe shows have even less audience, so what does that say about them?)
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Meng - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 13:50:37 EST cfOXxE22 No.6417814 Reply
>>6417812
>so what does that say about them?

That they're building from scratch rather than a huge brand with worldwide recognition? And have much smaller revenue
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:04:34 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417815 Reply
>>6417814
>they're building from scratch
they have a primetime TV spot with heavy advertising on a higher viewed channel than USA. And as pointed out here >>6413416 their average viewership was dropping even before COVID hit and they have not hit the "1 million benchmark" since their second or third week of TV which was 8 months ago.

again: people need to make up their minds - is AEW this plucky DIY underdog or is it funded by someone richer than Vince McMahon? It cannot be both "based Khan" being the supposed promised land for all wrestlers and fans while also simultaneously being a plucky little upstart that has to have an uphill battle against mean old McMahon monopoly.
It either runs with the big dogs, or it doesn't.
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Eddie Kingston - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:10:09 EST UMacSvZd No.6417819 Reply
>>6417815
And people can enjoy a product without loving Khan. WWE is poison and your gerthy half chub for it is lame dude. It 100% has an uphill battle against WWE no matter how youre fucked up brain likes to phrase things. Every wrestling company is an uphill battle when up against WWE.
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Lenny Lane - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:14:12 EST /YsP7rdR No.6417821 Reply
>>6417812
>that doesn't refute what i said
>>6417809
>every single one has declined.
If every show has declined, WWE should still be #2 at worst, dummy.
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:18:20 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417823 Reply
>>6417821
>If every show has declined, WWE should still be #2 at worst, dummy.
Raw and SD are still the most watched wrestling shows on TV
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:20:31 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417827 Reply
>>6417819
>Every wrestling company is an uphill battle when up against WWE.
then don't try to go up against WWE?

It's remarkably easy to just... watch NJPW and Impact and AAA and not give a shit about these console wars battles
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:23:38 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417828 Reply
>>6417825
i never said they were the best.

My actual stance is wrestling is not popular and will probably never ever become popular again. And getting caught up in ratings/demo battles on Wednesday night is an incredibly stupid way to be a fan.

And most fans caught up the console wars ratings battle end up twisting themselves into logic knots trying to explain why the same trend across two shows means two different things.

If you want to laugh about WWE's falling ratings, then that means you also should be laughing at the wrestling you actually like because they get *even worse* ratings. or you can just not care about this shit and just watch what you like
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Makoto - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:24:48 EST RgpMBobH No.6417829 Reply
>>6417827
>then don't try to go up against WWE?
You can only do that so much when there's only 2 days of the entire week WWE isn't running a show people give a shit about
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:30:30 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417833 Reply
>>6417829
i guess... but between impact plus and nj world and fite tv and official youtube channels and twitch channels and other VOD networks, there's so many ways to keep up with and support the wrestling promotions you like.

I watch Impact on Tuesdays. If WWE suddenly put NXT on Tuesdays, I'm not going to suddenly stop watching Impact just because WWE put a show on. And if there are fans that just stop watching non-WWE wrestling as soon as a WWE option becomes available... idk, i don't think those fans will ever be convinced to seriously try alternatives.

So to me, it just goes back to: watch what you like and stop worrying about what their competition is doing. whatever happens, happens. and you can't stop it.
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Lenny Lane - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:33:08 EST /YsP7rdR No.6417835 Reply
>>6417823
Way to miss the point my dude. The funniest thing is that with you, one cant tell if youre so stupid or so disingenuous
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:39:30 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417837 Reply
>>6417835
Raw and Smackdown still do rank as 1 and 2 in the demos frequently. even this year.
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Leatherface - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:40:12 EST dYhrmb6W No.6417839 Reply
>>6417814
Being backed by a billionaire, and automatically getting a primetime show on TNT isn't exactly "building from scratch."
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Eddie Kingston - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:42:20 EST UMacSvZd No.6417840 Reply
>>6417835
I don't think I have ever seen him admit he is wrong. Once. Which is a bad quality in a person.
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Roderick Strong - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:06:19 EST /QSOXPNJ No.6417846 Reply
>>6417787
AEW and especially 90 day fiance aren't being paid 2 billion in rights fees
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:13:28 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417849 Reply
>>6417846
unless you're a fox stockholder, why does it matter that vince carnied them out of that much money?
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Roderick Strong - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:23:59 EST /QSOXPNJ No.6417851 Reply
>>6417849
Because where the demo ranks for the night doesn't mean anything relative to what they are being paid
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Invader - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:52:39 EST BxsoGG2K No.6417855 Reply
At what point does the demo stop being a valid excuse when more and more viewers keep fucking off to watch something else?
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Meng - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:56:43 EST cfOXxE22 No.6417857 Reply
>>6417827
>then don't try to go up against WWE?

It doesn't matter which night AEW chooses, WWE would just shift a show to that night
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Randy Orton - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:57:14 EST T5Ycresu No.6417858 Reply
If WWE didn't have the Saudi blood money and the television money, they would be fucked
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:07:02 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417860 Reply
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>>6417857
ok? The Elite have been poking the bear for many years. I guess they want to compete with WWE? And based on viewership/demo numbers, this is how its shaken out so far
1.Smackdown
2.Raw
3.Dynamite
4.NXT
And all wrestling shows' numbers have gone down: they were all going down before COVID and they've dropped even worse with COVID. And then they drop even more on holidays.

They're all following the same trends, so i'm not sure why people want to laugh at one and then make excuses for the other.

Seems like it just comes down to personal preference - which is fine. Like what you want. But don't pretend the same set of facts can be interpreted in two different directions.
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:09:20 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417861 Reply
>>6417858
TV money is the only thing helping WWE, AEW, ROH and Impact in the covid era.
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Eddie Kingston - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:25:15 EST UMacSvZd No.6417864 Reply
>>6417860
I will forever laugh at WWE because it's a McDonalds company run by a psychopath piece of shit racist, sexist and much more. Fuck WWE so fucking hard. For someone who talks a lot about cancel culture shit you sure do stan for Vinnie Mac and his carny circus quite a bit. Sorry you don't like the Young Bucks. Shut the fuck up already.
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:39:00 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417866 Reply
>>6417864
you seem upset. you might feel better if you don't let wwe occupy so much real estate in your head. watch lucha instead.
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Pope D'Angelo Dinero - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:52:37 EST 0g8+IxW/ No.6417873 Reply
>>6417861
I mean, it's the only thing keeping them afloat in general even before it. The business has been built on TV rights for well over a decade now, probably closer to two. Hence why any larger promotion trying the PPV only model has failed miserably.
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:59:20 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417874 Reply
>>6417873
While I'm rooting for MLW, I'm still not sure they'll be able to make it out of this pandemic situation.

They were already paying dirt cheap rates to wrestlers and were apparently bringing in little money for their beIN TV deal. They're the only nationally televised company that, to my knowledge, relies on the live gate as their biggest revenue generator. But that's because they sell dirt cheap GA tickets in Hispanic communities and headline with LA Park.

Running an empty arena MLW show would be a financial loss for Court Bauer and I don't think they will be able to run events until... spring 2021 with the way things are going? I don't think there's enough Anthology episodes in the can to carry them until then.
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The Undertaker - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:55:10 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6418177 Reply
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WWE NUMBER ONE IN THE DEMO
>Friday's WWE SmackDown drew an average of 1.905 million viewers in the overnight ratings, according to Showbuzz Daily. Hour one drew 1.930 million viewers, then hour two went down to 1.879 million viewers.

>SmackDown also drew an average of 0.5 rating in the 18-49 demographic, which was #1 for the night.

>If the number holds up, it would be up 7.2% in viewership from last Friday's SmackDown episode, which drew an average of 1.777 million viewers with a 0.4 rating in the 18-49 demographic.

>SmackDown was #8 for the night among the networks in viewership. It came in behind: Shark Tank, Truth and Lies: The Jeffrey Epstein Story, MacGyver, Magnum P.I., Blue Bloods, The Wall, and Dateline NBC. Magnum P.I. topped the night at 3.753 million viewers.

>Final ratings will be out on Monday.
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/07/wwe-smackdown-climbs-up-in-the-overnight-ratings-672322/
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The Undertaker - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:57:35 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6418179 Reply
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>>6418177
here's TK with a thorough explanation for why demos matter
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Murphy - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:00:46 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6418182 Reply
>>6418179
God this shit is embarassing

I-i-i-its ok our viewership has halved because we are still winning the demo (for now).
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Albert - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:11:00 EST 8ywp90r1 No.6418187 Reply
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Anyone have the demos for this? We may still be in the race, WCWchads!
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Murphy - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:16:46 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6418189 Reply
>>6418186
>If you criticize AEW your a WWE shill

Every fucking time. Do you ever wonder why everyone is beginning to despise AEW fans?
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Colonel Ninotchka - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:22:21 EST ZcoAes5B No.6418193 Reply
>NXT can only "win" when they hot-shot PPV main events on TV
>It's just the main event that draws more viewers
>Still can't win the main demo that advertisers care about

this feels like a rehash of the Monday Night War, but this time WWE is doing what WCW did near the end. Lee/Cole and Sasha/Io could have sold a takeover, but they gave it away for free because they're obsessed with TV ratings.I wonder what morale must be like at WWE right now.
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Tina Ferrari - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:22:26 EST v+E41uU7 No.6418194 Reply
>>6418186
It's not about correct or incorrect but the reactionary response was embarrassing to read through
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Giant Bernard - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:27:27 EST jEGuiRVR No.6418199 Reply
>>6418182
Your reaction when presented with facts is embarrassing.

A) A debut rating is not an accurate indication of what viewership will be like for a show. We're not even a year in and 700k-ish seems to be their average. Spin it however you like, but for a new promotion to get that kind of steady viewership is nothing less than a win. Supposedly they've had 2 PPVs pull in 80-100k+ buys too. Again, for any promotion that isn't WWE, that's impressive.

B) Wrestling without fans isn't the same to a lot of people. Same with most sports. Trying to watch football (soccer) now is rough. So of course there's going to be a portion of fans who don't bother tuning in as often.
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The Undertaker - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:29:51 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6418201 Reply
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FYI: here's how the Wednesday Night War went this week.
Over 900,000 tuned in for Lee vs Cole.
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Bastion Booger - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 14:19:56 EST TLDOIDYH No.6418246 Reply
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>>6418201
boomers do love a GREAT AMERICA themed show
guess the bright lights are all it takes
Glad people my own age with a life knew better.
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Don Muraco - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 14:26:11 EST nur5WrEg No.6418256 Reply
I mean the ratings show what people already knew

>wwe is almost exclusively watched by brain dead boomers who have watched it for decades out of habit and a self delusion that one day it might come good again
>the only young people interested in wrestling tend to watch things outside of wwe
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The Undertaker - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 14:46:39 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6418275 Reply
>>6418269
Your conflating two stats. They have the 18-49 demo and their average age viewer is in their 40s. They don't have a lot of teenage and college aged viewers.
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Bastion Booger - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 14:52:39 EST TLDOIDYH No.6418280 Reply
>>6418275
Source?

What are you looking at to claim Specifically people in their 40s as the average??

I checked the chart, nowhere does it specifically single out 40s at any capacity.

Lying only hurts your side's credibility
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Typhoon - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 15:03:50 EST aa7+obA9 No.6418285 Reply
>>6418280
Christ you fucking stupid. WOL literally said the average was in the 40s,
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Owen Hart - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 15:08:17 EST T5Ycresu No.6418287 Reply
Wednesday Night Wars are more like the Wednesday Night Slapfights, neither show can beat GGG, the real king of Wednesday night television
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Mark Madden - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 15:09:13 EST 6RcvwRLi No.6418288 Reply
For literal DECADES people have been saying that the WWE Is sacrificing the future to hotshot the territory, by feeding EVERYONE to Cena and banking on making him be a star to children would be enough to lift the ratings, instead of making any meaningful changes to the obvious problems with the company, both creatively and internally, all stemming back to ONE MAN, one fucking Caligula.

For years, they took the established fans for granted, with the "see you next monday" mentality until more and more and more and more of them stopped watching, along with all the kids who left once Cena was gone, because they never built anyone to replace him, and now people are SHOCKED that it's only the most Benthusiastic 40+ year old hyperobsessive fans that remain?

Like, this is not a shock. This is the natural conclusion to the WWE burning the fucking territory. This is what's left.
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Yuji Nagata - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 15:34:43 EST dYhrmb6W No.6418306 Reply
>>6418266
I think part of the reason for that stat is not a lot of people under 40 years old have cable anymore. Nielsen ratings have been getting less and less relevant over the last decade.
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Midajah - Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:02:26 EST 6u2ViYpT No.6418671 Reply
>>6418668
I'm curious, are there actually people out there who's personal enjoyment of the shows is retroactively decreased when they see the ratings numbers? Like do they go "oh wow I quite enjoyed [show] last night" after it's done airing, but then when the rating numbers come in next day, do they then double back and go "oh wait no I didn't enjoy it actually cos of these numbers now"
Is that a thing ? Are people that weak minded and easily influenced that they can't make their own minds up on whether or not they liked something without herd approval?
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CM Punk - Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:07:41 EST 0LNqFyCj No.6418674 Reply
>>6418671
>Are people that weak minded and easily influenced that they can't make their own minds up on whether or not they liked something without herd approval?

Of course. Why do you think laugh tracks and fake crowd noises exist?
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Shad Gaspard - Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:14:16 EST T5Ycresu No.6418678 Reply
>>6418671
It's just a meme post dude, look at the OP, we compare the ratings to GGG all the time for laughs
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Jado - Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:05:01 EST 6u2ViYpT No.6418745 Reply
>>6418678
I'm aware it's all a meme but I am wondering are there people out there who don't know that or don't get that ? There surely has to be right? Just based on pure statistics. Not everyone is gonna get that it's all just shitposting jokes. I'd be fascinated if there's even just 1 person who gets worked by a meme and starts basing their personal opinions/enjoyment of the shows on the ratings because they are maybe a bit slow and don't realise it's all a joke.
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James Storm - Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:20:07 EST TLDOIDYH No.6418796 Reply
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>>6418745
god forbid someone doesn't get a fucking joke, dude.

boohoo poor you without a sense of humor all worked up by jokes

is that how you want us to feel towards whatever retards you're imagining and claiming are totally not you, projecting?
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James Storm - Mon, 13 Jul 2020 02:25:11 EST TLDOIDYH No.6418798 Reply
>>6418671
check out our /MTV/ board if you actually want insight on how TV viewers think.

Ratings determine whether a show is failed or not, so yeah, people do, actually give a fuck as to whether or not whatever they enjoyed is actually good or not, and people keep up with shows they're invested in for the sake of not wasting their interest in it.

I mean, it's clear you're determined to be stupid right now but are you even aware how pointless your tirade over this all really is?

> RATINGZZ DONTTS MATTERRR!!! DO THEY????
The absolute state of £-dr0nez defense force... enjoy these little molehill victories while you got em, champ. 31-8. Not gonna last forever.
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Matt Striker - Mon, 13 Jul 2020 05:59:47 EST jKS+xfSp No.6418825 Reply
>>6418186
>the boards designated Covid Alarmist
>stamford wif
Using that as your goto character attack is silly, especially when you arent even paying attention to who you are replying to and are entirely inaccurate
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Trent Acid - Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:25:23 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6418880 Reply
>Some UK TV ratings... and they're not great.

>Raw live on June 29 drew 17,000 viewers. That's down 44,400 on the prior week.
>NXT live returned to the top 15s with an audience of 10,800 after many weeks out of the charts.
>Some unlisted WWE Specials drew 87,500 and 90,600 viewers on Saturday July 4 - but these were listed as Premier League-related content so take those numbers with a pinch of salt.

>AEW Dynamite drew 92,000 viewers for the July 1 episode that aired on July 3 (Fyter Fest week one).
>That's down 11k on the prior week as AEW continues to be inconsistent - in the last month it's gone from 67k > 133k to 92k.
>That 11.30pm start time is really hurting them - especially when Fite's offering live viewing with no messing around for £4/month

>Digging into the Showcase/Fight Network ratings some more then...
>Impact from Wednesday night - 13,900
(that's not counting their airing on 5Star)
>The WrestleTalk Showcase/Podcast double header drew 9,600 viewers each
Given that #15 for BT Sport drew 10,200, there's a very real shot that NXT UK lost to WrestleTalk
https://twitter.com/BigBackBodyDrop/status/1282685246505472000

>Fun fact: ROH on June 26th had 14,600 viewers in the UK. Raw barely beating ROH TV in the UK at the moment.
https://twitter.com/garrettkidney/status/1282688996292927488
(ROH airs on Fight Network UK)
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Bobo Brazil - Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:14:04 EST cfOXxE22 No.6418930 Reply
>>6418880
Raw got dumped by Sky in the UK after they tried to carny them over the Network with PPVs.

They're now stuck on BT Sport which the vast majority of the UK doesn't even have. For reference, even the average PL football game gets ~400k viewers on BT sport.

I remember when they started trying to advertise WWE through the commentators during the matches, they were like taking the piss out of wrestling as they did it.

WWE is pretty much dead in the UK
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Nasty Brian Knobbs - Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:58:08 EST bTZFvTbr No.6418944 Reply
>>6418930
The UK viewership on Sky became piss poor in the last few years too you know.

It wasn't just the Network that killed them...people weren't gonna cough up on a subscription just to watch a shitty wrestling show any more.

Obviously I accept the same applies with BT Sport here...
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Superstar Billy Graham - Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:12:56 EST jEGuiRVR No.6418950 Reply
>>6418944
They're actually pulling in the same kind of numbers on BT that they were on Sky which suggests a lot of those fans were already subbed or they subbed for WWE.

IMPACT & AEW are on free TV but it's still a bad look for WWE pulling in less than those guys.
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Greg Gagne - Mon, 13 Jul 2020 20:22:25 EST rWWSIM8P No.6419014 Reply
>>6418187
The average age of a WWF viewer was something like 23 back then, so yeah, we did have the demos, and the WWF was winning in both demos and overall viewers.
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Soldier Ant - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:22:10 EST cfOXxE22 No.6419124 Reply
>>6418944
The thing is though, with Sky they at least had the chance to grow their audience again, if the near impossible happened and they started putting out a good programme.

With BT, WWE is stuck with a tiny potential audience no matter how good they get. TNA outdrew WWE for years, and AEW is now too.

People wonder why WWE doesn't do any PPVs in the UK, and yet AEW was planning one already (Fyter Fest), the reason is WWE is as cold as can be in the UK.

Couple years ago, my mate who is a journalist (was working on a shitty uni blog at the time with like 100 clicks per article) got approached by WWE to cover their event and they gave him 2 tickets. I went with him and the arena was half empty.

I don't know if WWE just plans to give up on the UK, but their level of exposure here is pretty grim. Pre lockdown I read NXT UK was getting between 300-750 people per show
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Christina Von Eerie - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:05:45 EST bTZFvTbr No.6419147 Reply
>>6419124
Yes, but eventually TNA's numbers got bad to the point viewership figures became unobtainable, because of the decline in product.
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Christina Von Eerie - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:08:21 EST bTZFvTbr No.6419150 Reply
>>6418201
And on Taima where it's always one-sided regardless of the Wednesday Night Pillow Fight:
> 938 / 511 AEW
> 647 / 194 NXT

NXT again got stronger numbers but still wasn't enough to beat off the pissant T-shirt company.
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Beulah McGillicutty - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:35:44 EST T5Ycresu No.6419304 Reply
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https://www.mandatory.com/wrestlezone/news/1194281-wwe-raw-hits-all-time-low-viewership-ahead-of-the-horror-show-at-extreme-rules

>WWE RAW viewership is hitting new lows, which isn’t great ahead of a pay-per-view.

>As reported by Showbuzz Daily, WWE RAW viewership averaged 1.504 million viewers, which is down from last week’s 1.1.687 million viewers. As for 18-49 demographics, it came in at No. 3, 5, and 6 for its first, second and third hours, respectively. The previous low was May 4’s episode, which drew 1.686 million viewers.

The hourly breakdown is as follows:

>8 pm: 1,580,000
>9 pm: 1,599,000
>10 pm: 1,504,000
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Jacob Novak - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:42:14 EST vAvO0C5Q No.6419306 Reply
>>6419304
>>6419305
Kinda says a lot that it's a record low but it's still one of the best rated shows on all of cable. I thought cord cutting wasn't that big.
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:50:22 EST cajoPv45 No.6419311 Reply
>>6419305
Based Tucker Carlson burying everyone else.
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Extreme Tiger - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:32:44 EST Zco1JZp0 No.6419331 Reply
>>6419308
It's because Boomers don't interact with young people. It is like Meltzer acting like AEW is talked about among teens to any degree worth mentioning because his son, the son of the biggest wrestling writer in the world, knows them and is willing to go to a show.
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Kenny - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:33:14 EST TLDOIDYH No.6419332 Reply
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>>6419304
LOW
RATINGS

>1.5MILL for RAW
> 1.4m AEW's DEBUT EPISODE
LMAOOO WWE AINT GOT SHIT BRUH
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Monty Brown - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:45:25 EST E1eY8V3m No.6419339 Reply
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This is where the real Monday Night War's at.
The Raw number would be shocking, but the demo's still got them at a comfortable high position, so meh
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Isis The Amazon - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:59:42 EST LUMg+nxK No.6419344 Reply
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>>6419339
I don't know why but I thought that said benoit strikes back
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Okada - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:47:43 EST VYMa2VAM No.6419364 Reply
welp, we're pretty close to having more people watching AEW and NXT put together than people watching RAW
pretty surreal
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Monty Brown - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:20:13 EST E1eY8V3m No.6419367 Reply
>>6419345
I think the rate people watch shows on-demand has been steadily increasing over watching live, especially for wrestling which is typically taped; it's becoming more accessible for the everyman to stream whenever they please
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Manami Toyota - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:54:05 EST qAkWtYki No.6419373 Reply
>>6419364

>think this is a joke
>Add the numbers from Wednesday together
>Only 100,000 off

Holy shit
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Chief Jay Strongbow - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:58:41 EST illo7TfN No.6419375 Reply
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If you type RECORD LOW RATINGS into Google Images almost all the top results are Raw LMAO
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Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 20:12:48 EST PPc0gdwd No.6419379 Reply
>>6419375
>>6419377
You're logged into your google account though so google will currate your results to a degree. Now I did try searching "Record low ratings" in a private tab in firefox so I dunno.

However, if you image search "record low ratings" in
>bing
the results are a much more varied, although WWE still comes up
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Trytan - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 22:33:51 EST 6u2ViYpT No.6419423 Reply
>>6419379
Google will also curate your results when not logged in to your Goggle account even when you have elected to opt out of all tracking procedures because fuck you what are you gonna do about it;
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1283200876820275201
reuters.com/article/us-alphabet-google-privacy-lawsuit-idUSKCN24F2N4?taid=5f0e518f2841fc000146e9af
There is no escaping the machine watching you. Even when you tell them 'No'
So much for consent eh.
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Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:34:46 EST PPc0gdwd No.6419433 Reply
>>6419423
I use ghostry and a cookie deleter because of those issues, but I know that even with those addons on they've still got their damn claws in my data.
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Awesome Kong - Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:02:43 EST 82pvaKgf No.6419441 Reply
remember when AEW first started and people were saying that they were gonna beat RAW in the ratings sooner rather than later but then it obviously didn't happen? we were looking at it wrong. the long term plan wasn't for AEW to get 3+ million viewers. the real strategy was waiting for RAW to sink down to AEW levels of viewership. beating RAW is becoming more and more possible every week. god bless.
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Midajah - Wed, 15 Jul 2020 01:20:43 EST JvbZ8j8l No.6419459 Reply
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>>6419445
The comment section is pretty fun too.

Why would anyone think it would be a good idea to tell your fans to stop watching if they don't like the product.
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Tony Mamaluke - Wed, 15 Jul 2020 01:23:12 EST 8kyTimBL No.6419460 Reply
>>6419445
>Reading through the comments.

I shouldn't have done that, now my IQ has dropped lower than it already was
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Rayna Von Tash - Wed, 15 Jul 2020 01:25:42 EST TLDOIDYH No.6419461 Reply
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>>6419445
> cause I'm just a spoke on the wheel and you'll all keep watching even after I leave and Vince McMahon will make money despite himself.
Challenge was accepted, Haitch tried downplaying the heir of it all but LOL failed that one rather hilariously.
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Ring Ryda Red - Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:54:44 EST Mo7FbJj6 No.6419522 Reply
>>6419445
The concept of this promo is so wild.

People are so unsatisfied with your product that they're threatening to stop consuming it. They are straight-up telling you that in order to keep your current customer base, you must change. The response is to insult them and tell them to eat shit and enjoy it. Also note the pinned comment there:
>The Monday Night Raw this happened on averaged 4.43 million viewers, latest RAW of 02.24.2019 had 2.21 million. Guess, that guy had more friends than just Mark.
The episode of Raw with that dumbass promo was from almost exactly 6 years ago, 7/21/14. It took 4.5 years for the total viewer amount to drop by 50%. It's been almost 1.5 years since the episode he noted in the comment and Raw's ratings are already down 30% from there. I can't say for certain that this wouldn't have happened had WWE committed to changing the way they run the show, but it's hard to believe their decline would have been as bad as it has been.
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John Nord - Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:08:51 EST xdDs7Dcz No.6419525 Reply
>>6419522
A promo cut by the guy who himself ran off a large percentage of the audience in 02/03 with his Four Horsemen cosplay group, at that. 'Tone deaf' doesn't even begin to cover it.
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Midajah - Wed, 15 Jul 2020 14:52:29 EST JvbZ8j8l No.6419578 Reply
>>6419522
I understand that wrestling is not as popular as it once was but should it really be affected that much by cord cutters? It is still a live event that people watch to see match outcomes and storylines. Live sports still do great ratings, so people do have access to TVs they just aren't watching wrestling. Its like they think people will continue to watch because there isn't much of an alternative to watch wrestling, but they fail to realize people don't conisder wrestling a necessity.

The whole promo was a stupid attempt at getting heat. The whole point of getting heat is to sell tickets to people who want to see you lose, not make them lose interest in your show.
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Command Bolshoi - Wed, 15 Jul 2020 18:01:44 EST 0tg65JsR No.6419646 Reply
>>6419445
The schadenfreude from watching this today in 2020 is so fucking delicious.
To a nice bunch of people it could not have happened.
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Giant Baba - Wed, 15 Jul 2020 20:00:26 EST UMacSvZd No.6419681 Reply
>>6419652
That was hilarious.
Someone wrote RECORD. LOW. RATINGS and sup wooo underneath.
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John Laurinaitis - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:09:18 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6420030 Reply
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>AEW: 788,000
>NXT: 631, 000

the streak is over
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Machete - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:12:10 EST jvNtfTPT No.6420032 Reply
>>6420030
Wew. I know AEW brought the house but man they still did way better than expected
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:21:15 EST a6g49DTx No.6420044 Reply
>>6420030
>AEW are top 5 while NXT is 49th
Wow. It's almost as if those last 3 weeks meant fuck all in the grand scheme of things. Especially when AEW have won more than 30 times.
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Lacey Von Erich - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:25:58 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420046 Reply
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>>6420044
32-8 BayBEEEEEEE

> 4 X More the success rate
> AEW officially QUADRUPLES the success rate of NXT since this began
lmao get fukt Haitch
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Skinner - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:31:38 EST PPc0gdwd No.6420049 Reply
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>>6420030
>AEW wins by a margin of over 150,000
I have a pretty bad distaste for console wars, but the last few weeks were particularally bad with Pro-NXT guys here on the board proudly proclaiming dumb stuff like "AEW might have been the better show but "we're" still going to win in the ratings lmao".

At that point, the score was something like 31 to 7, so I've no idea why in the fuck anyone would suddenly get cocky and start thinking NXT was going to start racking up back to back to back wins. So I'm afraid for this week at any rate, I'm going to take some schadenfreude from NXT fans' hubris over the last few weeks and take some pleasure in this massive walloping
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Damien 666 - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:33:55 EST ZcoAes5B No.6420050 Reply
Probably not explicitly wrestling related, but Don Mancini just announced on IG that the Chucky TV show went from a SyFy exclusive to also getting aired on USA. Makes me think that USA is desperate for a new hit since their cash cow is going dry...
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John Laurinaitis - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:41:13 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6420055 Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Lacey Von Erich - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:43:13 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420056 Reply
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>>6420030

someone pleased remake my pic related and swap Impact for NXT or WWE's logo at this point because holy hell
EWWLOL
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Scotty Vortekz - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:47:04 EST LUMg+nxK No.6420057 Reply
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based chef man continuing to bury the shit out of both feds
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Generalissimo Takada - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:50:39 EST Pg6JFK00 No.6420058 Reply
>>6420030
NXT pulling a 0.02 in the M 12-34 demo is the funniest shit ever.
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Lacey Von Erich - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:55:02 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420060 Reply
>>6420056
No but seriously
> Can Anyone Redo This Meme FFS??

I am limited to Mobile browsing and know FUCK ALL about online photoshop.

we need to change Deans head to the AEW logo, the rest dont gotta be accurate but a full redo would be nice.

Pl0x???
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Prince Devitt - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:59:16 EST FqmJv8pO No.6420062 Reply
I like how Cody is aware of the Guy Fieri vs AEW meme. lol
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Gordon Solie - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:10:18 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6420063 Reply
>>6420030
God damn. I expected it to be closer since Fight for the Fallen wasn't pushed that hard (since it came off the heels of Fyter Fest) but thats a blowout. Fight for the Fallen was pretty well booked and went against a pretty weak looking show. It really seems like the only way NXT can pop any sort of rating is big events/main roster talent

Looks like Demo God Jericho is gonna end up being full time

>>6420062
Seeing as how a lot of younger guys know the existence of the Tubes and /wooo/ it wouldn't surprise me if he lurked. I am almost positive Excalibur does
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Generalissimo Takada - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:17:46 EST Pg6JFK00 No.6420066 Reply
>>6420063
The responses to Cody's tweet are funny because a lot of people think he's trying to say he looks like Guy Fieri.
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Skinner - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:19:38 EST n9eKBgQH No.6420067 Reply
>>6420062
Cody is incredibly insecure so he definitely browses all the wrestling spaces to see how he's regarded
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John Laurinaitis - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:20:41 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6420068 Reply
Story here is that AEW had a PPV tier show with big stars and new matchups where as NXT had a nothing show and most of their card wasn't announced ahead of time. AEW has more momentum behind them and have more starpower.
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Scott Parker - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:52:08 EST 8ywp90r1 No.6420085 Reply
>>6420049
>Translation: It's not fun when people are shitposting about my heckin yummy rick and morty AEW
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Lacey Von Erich - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:18:06 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420102 Reply
>>6420087
Sort of.

LU fell off at this point
ROH is also not hot anymore

But, yeah, Deano's on point.
NXT as the WWE logo instead would be the top tier version if we can swap LU and ROH for NJPW & Impact I think


regardless thanks for at least updating it at all
if you can do the above request in full, youre my hero today bruh.
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Kristal - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:21:05 EST Ba1o4EDf No.6420103 Reply
>>6420063

>It really seems like the only way NXT can pop any sort of rating is big events/main roster talent

Unless that main roster talent is Charlotte
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Masada - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:23:00 EST Nl7PWUSX No.6420104 Reply
>>6420030
makes me wonder if keeping Mox off of fyter fest was actually a ploy to pop a rating the next week
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Captain Lou Albano - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:38:38 EST bTZFvTbr No.6420112 Reply
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>>6420030
But they said the pissant shirt company would stop winning the pillow fight...
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Lacey Von Erich - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:42:55 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420113 Reply
>>6420104
no wonder, brah.
Mox himself made the choice for the safety of all involved due to COVID-19.
Meltz and Renee and many others already reported this.
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Dragon Dragon - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:05:48 EST wB6sTLXb No.6420130 Reply
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America's number one wrestler.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:15:01 EST iLikEToleARn No.6420142 Reply
>>6420141
>have rankings, and if there's any baltimore-based local history buffs who can carry mediocre actors to cover all three editions of raw that "family", remember why i made, polished version of OpenAI will attempt to do more episodes about him moving to mongolia to live for.
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Rizokahn - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:28:14 EST hTSUcuhc No.6420147 Reply
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>>6420030
>GGG outdraws AEW and NXT
They better have something big in store in 3 weeks as they gotta deal with the final of the GGG summer tourney.
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Lacey Von Erich - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:34:13 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420151 Reply
>>6420147
wait somehow AEW is 1 slot above Guy this week despite him getting more viewers?
dafuq? holy fkn based
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Lance Cade - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:59:10 EST rWWSIM8P No.6420163 Reply
>>6420030
Lol I really can't tell what any of these ratings mean. Like, why did AEW win handily this week after losing several weeks in a row. Just makes no sense to me.
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Matt Classic - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:02:16 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420164 Reply
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>>6420163
Why did they lose for 3 weeks after roughly 8 months of victories?
gee idk man. Maybe you should keep up with matters like this as they occur, and actually follow the stats of shows so you know this kinda stuff huh
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Super Crazy - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:05:39 EST uxYX8aSo No.6420167 Reply
>>6420030
>Jericho makes a promo bragging about winning the female demos every week
>GGG almost doubles the 18-49 female demo and still has more viewers overall

embarrassing
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Bobby The Brain Heenan - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:30:38 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6420186 Reply
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Would you buy this?
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Sniper - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 21:50:51 EST 9l8fmdGf No.6420203 Reply
>>6420186
lol. I don't wear wrestling shirts but if I did I'd drop a twenty on that. Chris can sell anything.
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Matt Classic - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:47:56 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420221 Reply
>>6420167
> not being able to even hear yet alone interpret things correctly
You realize he didn't say female demo he said 18-49, right?


embarrassing.
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Hikaru Shida - Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:59:27 EST kSXDSgn2 No.6420227 Reply
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>>6420221
He actually slips in "overall female viewers" before he talks about the 18-49 demo
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Matt Classic - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:04:39 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420229 Reply
>>6420227
Lmao he said Overall WINNING viewers
aka sure it's nice when NXT got the over Winning number
you should probably use subtitles when you watch shit bro
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Hikaru Shida - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:08:07 EST kSXDSgn2 No.6420231 Reply
>>6420229
Jericho shouldn't drunkenly slur his words when he's talking bro
does this really detract from how embarrassing this promo still is?
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Hikaru Shida - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:23:23 EST kSXDSgn2 No.6420236 Reply
>>6420235
almost 50 year old man decides to brag about demos, and winning with below 1 million viewers and ratings to a small crowd while cable is on the decline, and ends up getting drenched in orange juice by an almost-comatose man in denim

if this segment was in WWE it'd be just as embarrassing too
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Babe the Farmer's Daughter - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:26:05 EST 0tg65JsR No.6420237 Reply
I will truly never understand why AEW makes some people so irrationally insane.
People who probably also spent years screeching for an alternative and something to break WWE's stranglehold on the industry. Then when it comes along they are baying for it to fail at every turn.
weird.
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Matt Classic - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:36:44 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420242 Reply
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>>6420239
lol fucking grow up and quit acting embarrassed then loser nobody gives a fuck about embarrassment anymore let alone grown adults


pro wrestling is an ESTABLISHED embarrassment

You trying to make people take it seriously is the epitome of fucking embarrassing
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Cowboy Bob Orton - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:40:27 EST VYMa2VAM No.6420245 Reply
>>6420242
sorry, i just don't want my entertainment to be plagued by cheesy meta talk that does absolutely nothing in my eyes to improve the quality of said entertainment
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Matt Classic - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:48:57 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420247 Reply
>>6420245
considering how much a laugh riot it caused
and the response it triggered

I'd say it added plenty entertainment value.
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Babe the Farmer's Daughter - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 00:54:09 EST 0tg65JsR No.6420250 Reply
>>6420245
You do realise though that you are just *1* of the hundreds of thousands of people who watch AEW right?
It seems like you want them to cater specifically to your tastes and wants, and that is some pathetically entitled manchild shit which is FAR more embarrassing than whatever you have been shitting on about ITT.
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Shane Douglas - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:20:03 EST 681PlNi5 No.6420255 Reply
jericho is gonna go so hard on this shit next week lmao
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Recon - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:21:21 EST v+E41uU7 No.6420256 Reply
>>6420163
Much like last week, NXT was a one-match show. The problem is that one match is pure filler compared to the one match last week. Meanwhile every Elite member was on the AEW card except Page and there were title matches. NXT sucks at following up these wins, the same song and dance that happened in December/January. Did Keith Lee even do anything on the show?

>>6420237
Orange juice falling from the sky as some retard flops around in an attempt to be funny and supposed top stars struggling to beat a 4'11" child doesn't sound like a great alternative to me, or seemingly to most people. Now like WWE, it looks to be down to the same small audience of wresting fans. It's fine to be happy with that but that's not exactly "changing the world"
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Pope D'Angelo Dinero - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:24:29 EST kT3aYrXd No.6420257 Reply
My god AEWtists are some of the most annoying posters on here
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John Cena - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:12:05 EST pH4EAGt6 No.6420266 Reply
>>6420264
Can't wait to see the screeching meltdowns he causes again. This week was great free entertainment.
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The Jackyl - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:12:09 EST JvbZ8j8l No.6420267 Reply
>>6420063
Cody is probably the one behind these threads. Its good publicity.

Also do you think they have the pull to get Guy Fieri on AEW one night? He could talk BBQ with JR.
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Tommaso Ciampa - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:17:05 EST rWWSIM8P No.6420269 Reply
>>6420237
It's a promotion ran by Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks. People went irrationally insane over them for years, so it only makes sense that the insanity would spread to the entire promotion they created.
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Matt Classic - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:42:34 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420276 Reply
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>>6420267
> Guy Fieri GUEST STARS on AEW
That's right Cody, You read that right!

now BOOK IT!

it is all but confirmed Cody browses wooo at this point everyone
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Jimmy Rave - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 03:23:14 EST cfOXxE22 No.6420278 Reply
>>6420030
>WWE NXT
>Male 12-34 0.02

It really makes me laugh just how no young people watch WWE at all. They literally exist off the back of boomers who watch out of habit hoping it'll come good again
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Vince McMahon - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 05:06:46 EST qAkWtYki No.6420286 Reply
>>6420275

If you are aware the of the shit he posts on social media and the people he's had on his podcast then you're ignorant

Also, I wish my RNG was desd
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Matt Classic - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 05:12:31 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420291 Reply
>>6420286
> Worked by the things on the internet and by assumptions made based on Guests?
dafuq? lmao you're a retard?
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Matt Classic - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 06:30:34 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420300 Reply
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>>6420293
nice supporting argument
Will continue actively increasing Chris Jericho's networth now, thnx
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Mr. Fuji - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:58:55 EST RCI26ty7 No.6420318 Reply
>>6420151
They are tied in the key demo.
I don't know what the tie breaker is, could just be alphabetical order.
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The Godfather - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:05:37 EST bmAXYm9x No.6420338 Reply
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This is a genuine win and far better than NXT's viewership wins. With genuinely steep competition from NASCAR, MTV Challenge (an 18-49 weapon) and some UFC (Undercard), AEW crushed NXT.

That 0.2 Male 12-34 for AEW to 0.02 for NXT is an absolute embarassment for them. Holy fucking shit. Seriously, pack it up. Competition or not, that's utterly dire. In actual numbers, AEW did 70k in men 18-34 (actually down 21% on last week) to 6k in men 18-34 (down 87.2% on last week). AEW did 52k in women 18-34 vs. 29k for NXT.

The big point is that NXT threw away the biggest match they could’ve done to pop a number instead of organically building to it for a Takeover. And look where it’s left them. AEW is just doing their thing without having to worry about counter-programming or counter-booking. It means they don't win 100% of the time, but their show is clearly more organic and I think has a better long term future.
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Bret Hart - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:56:25 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6420349 Reply
>>6420338
>The big point is that NXT threw away the biggest match they could’ve done to pop a number instead of organically building to it for a Takeover.
eh... i don't think that matters. there's nothing wrong with "giving away" a free match on TV.

And especially during this covid era. No point in saving "the big matches" for a paywall when everything is this weird uncanny valley empty arena stuff.

If these shows are going to run weekly TV, they need to find a reason for it to be compelling with no arenas and no fans.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:48:49 EST qfBsiMvD No.6420358 Reply
>>6420338
Not that it was a decent card, but it's far more impressive that AEW beat UFC in every single demo than it is they beat NXT. I think it's pretty rare nowadays for pro wrestling to beat MMA, but they did it.
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Bret Hart - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:01:58 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6420360 Reply
>>6420358
to be fair, the UFC card didn't start til 10pm so its not a one-to-one comparison with an 8pm "prime time" airing.
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Dixie Carter - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:19:55 EST UMacSvZd No.6420375 Reply
>>6420358
NXT is such a boring show that I am surprised they get compared to AEW at all. It's just WWEs farm league booked by DX lmao. If you care more about ratings then the actual show then it's still a pointless discussion because NXT loses almost every single week for a year.
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Matt Classic - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:54:48 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420424 Reply
>>6420338
although you typo's the 0.02 it was only that low on WWE's part
AEW scored 0.42
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Naruki Doi - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:44:41 EST /YsP7rdR No.6420439 Reply
>>6420237
An alternative would be nice. Doing the same shit as WWE isnt an alternative.
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Eddie Kingston - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:48:18 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6420442 Reply
>>6420430
Giving a platform to curtain jerker White Supremacists to push their conspiracies and posting White Supremacist slogans does in fact make you racist (if not worse)
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Bret Hart - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:48:38 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6420443 Reply
>>6420439
>An alternative would be nice
you had several before COVI Impact, NJPW, MLW, NWA Powerrr, AAA, CMLL, even ROH, Beyond had a weekly show, GCW was putting out multiple shows a month.
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Bobby The Brain Heenan - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:53:19 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6420448 Reply
Honestly, NXT needs to move nights, simple as that. Both shows will probably end up doing better viewership wise if they run unopposed. NXT starting this war in the first place was foolish and we all saw this coming.
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Magnus - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:56:49 EST ZcoAes5B No.6420449 Reply
>>6420442
You know if you actually explain what Jericho actually did (having the President's son on his pod and saying #AllLivesMatter) it sounds a lot less awful than you make it out to be. But you already knew that, didn't you?
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Matt Classic - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:56:50 EST +Q4Toqz3 No.6420450 Reply
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>>6420442
Jericho called out rioters being hateful and looting even black business owners as well as murdering people in the streets on video. He said people should be acting better to each other in the midst of chaos. Him and Lilian Garcia felt that way.

You exaggerate.
You're the one spreading conspiracy.

Jericho is laughing to the bank, and as I said before, based on how fake your claims are and how unwilling or serious you even seem to back your shit up... I'm just going to laugh with Jericho and fund him now, just to spite your idiocy because it's unfounded claims
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Don Harris - Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:59:07 EST 3z9mtOnj No.6420552 Reply
Meltzer says they're putting Orton vs. Show on RAW to boost the rating, and we did just get Styles vs. Riddle on Smackdown.

Kinda makes sense. Given the circumstances, what if they kept PPVs to two-ish hour affairs and put all the cinematic matches on there, while saving the big grudge and title bouts for the TV shows?
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Recon - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:11:17 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6422062 Reply
Report: Vince McMahon ‘Not Sweating’ Falling WWE Ratings
>To put it bluntly, the ratings for episodes of Monday Night Raw and Friday Night SmackDown have taken a pretty hard hit during the Coronavirus pandemic. For example, last week’s Raw drew the lowest rating in the show’s history.

>When WWE announced that Big Show vs. Randy Orton would be taking place on Raw last night and not at Extreme Rules, it was reported that this was in an attempt to boost viewership for the show.

>As such, many people speculated that Vince McMahon would be incredibly unhappy with the falling TV ratings. However, a recent report indicates that, interestingly, that’s not the case.

>WrestlingNews.co is reporting that Vince McMahon is not worried by the falling WWE TV ratings, and reportedly neither are the USA Network and FOX. Here’s what the site said on the matter:
“While some people in the people worry that the numbers could continue to drop, Vince McMahon has shrugged off the low numbers. WrestlingNews.co was told that McMahon feels that the numbers will get back over 2 million viewers after SummerSlam because he believes that fans will be back at shows by September.

“A WWE source said, “Vince is doing what he can by putting on PPV matches on Raw and SmackDown but USA and Fox are happy and everyone knows things will get better when we can get some people back at arenas. This is what he thinks right now and he’s not sweating these numbers.”

>WWE initially reportedly had plans to have fans back into shows THIS MONTH. However, those plans have obviously been postponed. It will be interesting to see if/how Vince McMahon’s response to the ratings changes if fans are not back into shows by September.
https://wrestletalk.com/news/report-vince-mcmahon-sweating-falling-wwe-ratings/

(1/2)
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Recon - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:13:31 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6422066 Reply
>>6422062
(2/2)

Report: USA Network & FOX Have ‘Lost Patience’ With WWE
>It was reported yesterday that despite Raw hitting an all-time low viewership figure last week, Vince McMahon is “not sweating” the falling WWE TV ratings.

>According to the report, Vince is confident that ratings will shoot up when fans return. The report also noted that both the USA Network and FOX are “happy”.

>However, a new report from Ringside News is suggesting that perhaps the USA Network and FOX aren’t overly pleased with the figures WWE is bringing in right now for their weekly shows.

>The site is reporting that both the USA Network and FOX have ‘lost patience’ with the company, likely over the falling ratings. They also note that people within WWE are worried about declining ratings.
“While speaking to a source recently it was disclosed to us that WWE is feeling the pressure regarding their sinking ratings. “Sh*t runs downhill,” which makes for a very stressful work environment as some executives are taking frustrations out on anyone that they can under them. There is a lot of eggshell walking right now

“Ringside News has learned “the story that FOX and USA Network are okay with waiting for people to come back into arenas is bullsh*t.” It was previously thought that bringing fans back to arenas will encourage more viewers at home. We were told that they have lost patience with those low numbers.”
https://wrestletalk.com/news/report-usa-network-fox-have-lost-patience-with-wwe/

hmm... I wonder which report is accurate: WrestlingNews.co or Ringside News?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Recon - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:18:09 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6422073 Reply
>>6422066
here's what a non-dirtsheet says:

>Nor should you expect to see Fox try to wriggle out of its $1 billion WWE deal. Friday Night SmackDown not only creates a four-day weekend for the network, serving as a bridge between Thursday Night Football and college football, it also provides 52 weeks of programming at a cost of just $1.9 million per hour. Slap two dramas in that Friday 8-10 p.m. time slot, and you’re looking at an outlay of around $5 million per hour, and that’s for just 22 nights of original, first-run content.

>While not a runaway hit, SmackDown is outperforming the former occupants of its time slot, drawing a 5 percent larger audience of adults 18-49—no mean feat in a season where overall primetime demo deliveries were down 13 percent year-over-year. Moreover, the show has also had something of a rejuvenating effect on Fox’s Friday night audience; with a median age of 52.4 years, SmackDown viewers are nearly five years younger than those who tuned in during the 2018-19 season.
https://www.sportico.com/2020/business/media/fox-stashes-cash-for-nfl-rights-1234608579/
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Recon - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:20:29 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6422076 Reply
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>WWE #Raw this week did 1.628 million viewers, up from last week's 1.561 million, and drew a 0.46 rating in 18-49 demo, down from last week's 0.48 rating.

>Hour 1: 1.740 million viewers/0.51 rating
>Hour 2: 1.609 million viewers/0.45 rating
>Hour 3: 1.535 million viewers/0.42 rating
https://twitter.com/CarlosToro360/status/1285668691019997184
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Recon - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:22:03 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6422079 Reply
>>6422076
>Raw did beat last week's overall numbers, but that was a given. To me, while a higher number this week in overall, it was a far worst performance given what was promoted and coming after a PPV designed to promote ratings the next week.

>Orton vs Show did a 0.42 18-49 in Q3. That is staggeringly bad when put into perspective. Worst quarter performance in 27+ year history of the show for a bout promoted for weeks.

"Im pretty sure aew did have a higher number when it comes to most important demo which is18-49 in last dynamite compared to raw, hence AEW have once again have beaten WWE."
>Not true. AEW hasn't hit that number in months. But you can hardly compare a 27-year institution with AEW. But this would be like if the NFL declined to where it was getting near XFL pre-pandemic numbers, well, if there was still an XFL.

Dave on Twitter
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:26:15 EST M1ahJWky No.6422083 Reply
>>6422079
>But you can hardly compare a 27-year institution with AEW.

true, but it didn't stop everyone comparing TNA to WWE back in the day and calling them a failure for *only* getting 1.5 million viewers
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Tadasuke - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:27:26 EST Ybchf0OF No.6422084 Reply
>>6422076

>Small increase in overall viewership
>Less viewers every hour

Proof no one wants to see Stephanie on camera.
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Recon - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:29:58 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6422087 Reply
>>6422084
probably more proof that 3 hours is just too damn long for a weekly wrestling show.
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Macho Man Randy Savage - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:30:31 EST WqbmGvxP No.6422088 Reply
>>6422083
>B-B-B-B-BUT WHAT ABOUT TNA IT WAS SO UNFAIR ON THEM WE ARE THE VICTIMS
this is why people don't want to be seen as fans of that company
Imagine still being a TNA victim complex fan in 2020
lol
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Bushwhacker Luke - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:33:14 EST b1qFrviM No.6422091 Reply
>>6422076
Appears to be about the same standings as last week, battling 90 Day Fiance's empire

and holy shit, American Dad's still on?
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Tadasuke - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:33:20 EST Ybchf0OF No.6422092 Reply
Imagine how fucked Raw would be if Guy Fieri's show moved to Monday nights.
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Hikari Minami - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:33:51 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6422093 Reply
here's a strange concept for WWE, how about make new stars
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Mascarita Dorada - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:40:04 EST HyIbf2q5 No.6422097 Reply
>>6422083
TNA showed up within like 5 years of WCW being shutdown. There was still hope and reason to believe the comparison was valid. Now they're officially a corporation under the guise of investors and in a whole other realm
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Recon - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:41:14 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6422098 Reply
>>6422088
>this is why people don't want to be seen as fans of that company
most of wooo likes TNA now dawg
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Mascarita Dorada - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:41:44 EST HyIbf2q5 No.6422099 Reply
>>6422094
> Pokka further establishing himself as a weak and terrible poster
yup, that's it, you're set to 'ignored'. Everything you post is either stupid or invalid or terribly written. Your trip was your first mistake. Stay worthless I guess, dude. nb
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Recon - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:42:52 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6422102 Reply
>>6422097
> There was still hope and reason to believe the comparison was valid.
There really wasn't though because the bottom dropped out on the business thanks to WWE botching both the Austin heel turn and the Invasion.

Viewers had already abandoned wrestling in droves by the time TNA had their first event in summer of 2002. The preceding 12 months were abysmal.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:47:15 EST M1ahJWky No.6422106 Reply
>>6422099
oh I'm sorry I was supposed to respond intelligently to the poster who was smashing the keyboard about "le TNA victim complex" was I?
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Chri - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:48:07 EST bYGFf3vF No.6422107 Reply
>>6422102
Not to mention TNA fucking sucked until like 2018 lol.
User is currently banned from all boards
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Dragonfly - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:06:30 EST LUMg+nxK No.6422151 Reply
>>6422110
I'd rather watch the Phillies go .500 and missing out on the playoffs AGAIN than any wrestling tbh
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Darkness Crabtree - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:23:22 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6422159 Reply
>>6422108
I think they will see a modest drop but they will have some horrifying numbers in the demos. Everyone I know is so ready for any fucking sports they would happily watch early season MLB or NHL
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Alicia Fox - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:34:35 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6423063 Reply
>>6422073
>NBCUniversal’s vast television group is bracing for a significant downsizing as part of the pending layoffs that are expected to hit next month.

>A plan for layoffs and restructuring of operations have been signaled recently by newly appointed NBCU CEO Jeff Shell. Multiple sources said division heads in TV, including NBCU Television and Streaming chairman Mark Lazarus and NBCUniversal Content Studios chairman Bonnie Hammer have been evaluating production, programming, marketing and distribution operations in light of a fast-changing market for content.
https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/nbcuniversal-television-global-film-operations-brace-for-imminent-cuts-1234712555/

Just a reminder that Bonnie Hammer has been Vince's biggest ally inside NBCU for decades and WWE is one of their few things that can keep running during COVID - and do it for cheap per episode.
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Buddy Rogers - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:22:13 EST r1FzMSXm No.6423117 Reply
AEW's ratings next week should be very interesting considering how fun this week's show was and how many matches they announced for next week
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Lance Cade - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:23:14 EST Ybchf0OF No.6423118 Reply
Is this the closest AEW's gotten to their debut episode of over a million viewers?
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Cody Rhodes - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:24:05 EST VYMa2VAM No.6423121 Reply
>>6423118
what? not even close.
the first episode of the empty arena shows did 933k
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Buddy Rogers - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:24:17 EST r1FzMSXm No.6423122 Reply
>>6423118
They were hitting around 900k regularly before crowds were banned
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Barbarian - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:28:47 EST 9KnNPb0m No.6423125 Reply
>>6423104
I am extremely interested to see what happens next week. AEW had a top 5 show and got a huge chunk of viewers.
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Cody Rhodes - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:31:08 EST VYMa2VAM No.6423128 Reply
>>6423126
speaking of, does anyone know when it ends? i am really curious to know how big the overlap between the two shows was
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Averno - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:37:27 EST bTZFvTbr No.6423130 Reply
>>6423104
Why is the pillow fight so one sided? Anyway, the most important to /wooo/ numbers since GGG:
> 833 / 365 AEW
> 269 / 92 NXT

LAST WEEK:
> 715 / 339 AEW
> 311 / 77 NXT
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Headbanger Trasher - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:31:06 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6423160 Reply
It's only gonna get worse for NXT, just throw in the towel already
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Paul Orndorff - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:51:21 EST jEGuiRVR No.6423167 Reply
NXT fans were so insufferable during their 3 week streak. They were talking as if AEW was dead and buried lmao.
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Alicia Fox - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:02:51 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6423179 Reply
>>6423167
banter goes both ways. have to be willing to take it, if you want to dish it out.
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Lodi - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:52:56 EST 3z9mtOnj No.6423197 Reply
>>6423179
There's banter and there's just delusion. NXT succeeded in getting more total viewers by a fairly small margin with their top tier matches to AEW's modified card. They are absolutely capable of that. But AEW won in every other metric, including social media, the coveted 18-34+ demo, and overall buzz.

The normality is that AEW will beat NXT by hundreds of thousands and NXT will maintain the 50+ demo. That's just the reality of it as things stand.
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Alicia Fox - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:56:09 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6423200 Reply
>>6423197
hmmm are you sure you weren't just getting worked like how DemoGod worked everyone last week?
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Wil Maximo - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:09:13 EST ZcoAes5B No.6423202 Reply
>>6423104
I actually thought last night was gonna be rough for both sides, but it looks like only NXT was affected, AEW somehow actually gained viewers!
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Chyna - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:51:14 EST d4zr+aUA No.6423215 Reply
after Keith Lee winning 2 belts NXT have some good future plans?
that was like a last breath to me
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Mark Jindrak - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:04:54 EST Sisj5G0M No.6423219 Reply
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AEW was great this week.
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The Artist Formerly Known as Prince Iaukea - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:25:40 EST 3z9mtOnj No.6423222 Reply
>>6423200
No I'm just stating facts. You can't be worked by facts (if you're willing to accept them as reality.)

If I were a WWE fan (or executive,) I would be less concerned with what Jericho's saying for a heel promo, and more concerned with the fact that the majority of people who weren't alive during Wrestlemania I think AEW is cool and WWE isn't.
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Lacey Von Erich - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:55:10 EST M4ftjtz9 No.6423230 Reply
Did someone delete a bunch of posts? Christ the over modding on /wooo/ sometimes.
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Tyler Reks - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:32:44 EST vPuGZ1rV No.6423236 Reply
>>6423222
It's funny, since JR & Taz were just yesterday having a meltdown regarding AEW not being desirable enough to be a default first pick. They must be having a lot more troubles with the network than they're letting on.
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Buff Bagwell - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:35:04 EST 3OGWaucx No.6423237 Reply
>>6423230
Yeah, deleting posts of who they ban is 100% definitely out of hand lvls of Recklessness is recent months NGL. Ban them OK but fucking realize occasionally they have made a fuckload of decent or useful posts beforehand sometimes contributing to a vast level in certain threads without being terrible.

Mods gonna mod, i guess
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Buff Bagwell - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:36:37 EST 3OGWaucx No.6423240 Reply
>>6423236
> Meltdown
lol they very articulately stated Their shit is better and to just DVR nxt which is still him promoting NXT as a friendly nod. You're full of shit and once again hurting any credibility there could even be to your bullshit claims by lying.
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Sami Callihan - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:37:55 EST KEUF5mUw No.6423241 Reply
I'm pretty sure the "fuck this guy" permaban button just Does That
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Tony Garea - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:40:45 EST EWiQh0da No.6423242 Reply
>>6423241
Why are people getting permabanned so much anyways? Can't they do week bans? Or warnings? I barely ever see that. It's always perma bans.
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Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:42:04 EST PPc0gdwd No.6423243 Reply
>>6423230
>>6423237
I got rid of some posts were people were calling each other retards. That's it. That's the valuable posts that are gone. "U're a retard" "No U". No one was banned.

Can people talk about wrestling now?

NB
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Buff Bagwell - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:44:33 EST 3OGWaucx No.6423244 Reply
>>6423242
lazy overreacting i think

youll see posts on other boards with normal rationale and calm convo posting yet they have a permaban across all boards under their name. I think it's more of a middle finger to whoever they ban rather than a choice made on reason because honestly i look at those posts and im like "This fucker? This type of posting on one board and somewhere else somehow meant none of their shit was decent? Defff doesnt add up half the time. Oh well. Cops are murdering people no wonder authorities anywhere else are overstepping freely as well.

nb cuz pol.
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Tony Garea - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:50:11 EST EWiQh0da No.6423245 Reply
>>6423244
Ive seen that as well. permaban markers all over 420chan right now,
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Tyler Reks - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:57:59 EST vPuGZ1rV No.6423247 Reply
>>6423240
>promoting NXT as a friendly nod
lol this is an awful spin and you know it
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Buff Bagwell - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:01:32 EST 3OGWaucx No.6423248 Reply
>>6423247
What? He literally suggested people still watch it.

That's a helluva lot more friendly a nod than pretending they don't even fucking Exist, bro. That's straight real actual factual. Nothing about that is even a spin.
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Buff Bagwell - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:47:23 EST 3OGWaucx No.6423252 Reply
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>>6422118
>>6423249
FUCK YEAHR it did.

I own the first 2 seasons from 2005 digitally on my fkn iphone.

That show being renewed 15 years later for a third season is a godsend

I really hope it's as good as the first two seasons of dissociative nonsense
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Cary Silkin - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:14:03 EST npmoWSca No.6423256 Reply
WTF 12 oz Mouse is coming back?
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D'Lo Brown - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:43:56 EST bmAXYm9x No.6423281 Reply
Great number for AEW considering there was no Moxley match advertised; this was a phenomenal show that had something for everyone so I’m not surprised that it did well. Super exciting to see that they are capable of doing 800k+ in the pandemic.

It likely can’t last with sport coming back but having no MTV Challenge on will definitely help because as you can see, it’s an 18-49 monster. 0.32 demo is great to see with the card that they presented especially because it didn’t feature Moxley or Omega matches and it did feature an Page match. Next week’s card is pretty fantastic so I’m hoping for the best.

And on NXT’s side, they went up a bit in the demo, good for them I guess. But considering they abandoned their double champ thing immediately, it absolutely proves that they did that solely to pop a rating and ultimately it didn’t work except for one week. NXT are not leaders in this game. They follow, that's why they don't announce all the matches. But that’s been the story all year for WWE. Pop one rating here and there but still decline overall.
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Rorschach - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 04:18:20 EST cfOXxE22 No.6423303 Reply
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My form is ratings. And my form is the world. Worship me. Give praise unto me. Me, the beautiful, the sublime... Me, the invincible, the almighty and divine... All hail the Demo God
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Jack Korpela - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:18:26 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6423351 Reply
>>6423303
>Demo God

Sounds like a 12 Oz. Mouse character.

Jericho vs ozmo when
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Starman - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:06:02 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6423362 Reply
After Two Decades, Sky Sports Italy Is Dropping WWE And Replacing Them With All Elite Wrestling
>All good things must come to an end as Sky Sports Italy drops WWE and replaces them with AEW.

>Per a report in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Italy's version of Sky Sports is electing to drop WWE in favor of All Elite Wrestling.

>Throughout the years, WWE has been dropped from Sky Sports in Austria and Germany as well as the United Kingdom where they are now featured on BT Sport.

>The change is said to be due to declining viewership and costs increasing and ratings declining. As for AEW, they will begin airing on Friday nights starting on July 31. It is said that before making the deal with AEW, Sky had an interest in still keeping WWE who now made a deal with Discovery.guarantee that the chain of reaction images are going to ignore this sentence and make it seem like Sky dropped WWE for AEW instead of WWE walking away and Sky replacing them with AEW
"We are thrilled to embark on a new chapter for WWE in Italy as we bring our unique blend of action-packed, family-friendly sports entertainment to Discovery’s free-to-air and premium channels," said Stefan Kastenmüller, WWE senior VP & group general manager (via The Hollywood Reporter). "We are excited that our relationship with Discovery is enhancing the fan experience in Italy with both primetime and family-friendly time slots."

>WWE began their relationship with Sky Sports as a whole in the late 1980s and maintained a great partnership for many decades.
https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/after-two-decades-sky-sports-italy-dropping-wwe-and-replacing-them-all-elite-wrestling
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Tony Garea - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:17:17 EST EWiQh0da No.6423365 Reply
>>6423362
WWE don't want no got dang Italians anyways! Those guys got that got dang virus!
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Dolph Ziggler - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:50:05 EST Ybchf0OF No.6423375 Reply
>>6423362

>guarantee that the chain of reaction images are going to ignore this sentence and make it seem like Sky dropped WWE for AEW instead of WWE walking away and Sky replacing them with AEW
>First sentence of post is"After Two Decades, Sky Sports Italy Is Dropping WWE And Replacing Them With All Elite Wrestling"

Gee I wonder why people would get that impression.
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Van Hammer - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:11:08 EST Mo7FbJj6 No.6423382 Reply
>>6423362
>guarantee that the chain of reaction images are going to ignore this sentence and make it seem like Sky dropped WWE for AEW instead of WWE walking away and Sky replacing them with AEW
Cool editorializing man, can you reconcile that with the Observer reporting that the reason Sky decided to drop them is because of high prices for the programming and low ratings?
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Rorschach - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:41:51 EST cfOXxE22 No.6423392 Reply
>>6423362
Dave literally said it was due to the high price and low ratings on Observer live though.

WWE is doing awful in Europe now, even including 7 day DVR they're getting between 8000-16,000 views in the UK on Raw, which was always their 2nd biggest market
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Starman - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:48:54 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6423395 Reply
>>6423392
>>6423382
I would ask Fightful that; they're the ones who reported it as: "Sky had an interest in still keeping WWE who now made a deal with Discovery."
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Rorschach - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:01:40 EST cfOXxE22 No.6423400 Reply
For reference, here's what Meltzer said, without any of my own edits halfway through the quotes

>"After about two decades, WWE has lost its deal with Sky Sports Italy over a combination of the cost of the rights and the decline of interest in viewers. Sky made the decision to drop WWE several months ago due to costs increasing and ratings declining. But when WWE offered the old PPVs like they did to FS 1, those shows did well. WWE made a deal after losing Sky with Discovery. Sky did have interest in WWE after turning them down before, and just made a deal this week with AEW, which starts on the station in a Friday night time slot on 7/31. Over the past year, for similar reasons, WWE has lost Sky in Germany/Austria (now on DAZN), the U.K. (now on BT Sports) and Italy"
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Starman - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:03:11 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6423402 Reply
>>6423397
eh... SRS and Fightful has been pretty good in their reporting; i'd say they're a few notches above places like sportskeeda. do you have any examples of them being a non-credible dirtsheet?

Fightful reported it as Sky was interested in keeping WWE but costs were too high, so WWE went with Discovery instead and Sky picked up AEW as their replacement.
That's not the same thing as Sky outright canceling WWE for AEW (and there's no indication that Sky is paying AEW what they paid for WWE)

How did Dave phrase the story?
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Mason Ryan - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:04:32 EST xdDs7Dcz No.6423403 Reply
>>6423392
Ratings were so bad a while ago Dave had to say "that's not a misprint" when reporting a rating in the low hundreds. They weren't hot before it but the move to BT has been disastrous.
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Starman - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:07:37 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6423405 Reply
>>6423400
>Sky made the decision to drop WWE several months ago
>Sky did have interest in WWE after turning them down before
This is why Dave desperately needs an editor because that could use a little bit of elaboration on Sky's timeline.
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Rorschach - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:40:53 EST cfOXxE22 No.6423491 Reply
It'll be funny to see the cope from Cornette when somebody mentions to him that the Young Bucks got the highest rating this week with over 1 million viewers for their match. And it had high spots in it
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Starman - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:13:59 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6423547 Reply
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>only 502,000 in the key demo
so i guess now we're touting the total viewers?
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Starman - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:20:37 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6423551 Reply
Discussion of ratings for other wrestling shows is allowed too if they chart.

First Impact rating update of 2020 shows bump from Slammiversary, how it compares to NXT and AEW in viewership and key demos, pandemic impact
>Impact Wrestling on AXS TV on Tuesday this week drew 163,000 viewers, up from 156,000 the week before and 135,000 the week before that. The average since March 24 has been 145,000. So it appears the buzz generated from the Slammiversary PPV on Saturday night with the arrival of Heath Slater, Luke Gallows, and Karl Anderson and the returns of EC3, The Motor City Machine Gunns (Chris Sabin & Alex Shelley), and Eric Young may have helped add some viewers. Impact drew more viewers on May 12, and nine of the first ten weeks of the year it drew more than 163,000. The empty-arena setting has correlated to drops in viewership in the single digit percentages (5-10 percent, roughly) compared to projections based on seasonal ebb and flow in viewership annually.

>Impact has averaged 147,000 viewers since April. It averaged 174,000 in January, February, and March. That’s a drop of 15 percent. Impact, like most wrestling shows, would have likely experienced a single-digit percentage drop in viewership without the pandemic. What’s not known is whether the absence of other live sports on cable had sent led to some viewers actually watching pro wrestling who wouldn’t have otherwise. That will begin to be tested in coming days as live sports returns to cable.

>Impact is, by a wide margin, the most viewed show on AXS TV.

>In the key 18-49 demo, Impact drew a 0.05 rating for the first time since Feb. 25, tying its high demo rating for the year. NXT, by comparison, drew a 0.17 rating in the demo, more than triple Impact’s rating in that demo. AEW drew a 0.32 in that demo, more than six times Impact’s rating in that demo.

>The no. 50 ranked show on cable on Tuesday drew a 0.13 rating. Impact was right around the 103rd most watched cable show on Tuesday night in that demo, tied with “Road Kill” on Motor Trend among a few other shows with the same demo rating.
https://www.pwtorch.com/site/2020/07/24/first-impact-rating-update-of-2020-shows-bump-from-slammiversary-how-it-compares-to-nxt-and-aew-in-viewership-and-key-demos-pandemic-impact/
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Cliff Compton - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:22:12 EST qmyEhY+O No.6423553 Reply
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>>6423547
a Success is a Success.

Please tell me you aren't getting worked by Kahn very blatantly posting that while obviously well aware of what they did to demean the total viewer count vs Key Demo even after a completely funny DEMO GOD promo, dude.


Moar Salt, please, for ur butthurt.
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Cliff Compton - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:26:04 EST qmyEhY+O No.6423555 Reply
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>>6423551
> Comparing 100k viewers to 1MIL viewers
lol get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

> DIZCUSHION OF OTTHERRSS IS ALLLOWEDD TOOO!!!
Seriously? We get it You give a fuck that doesn't mean it deserves our fucking attention you nutjob.


legitimately couldnt be any more worthless a post for you to be wasting space with.

> HEY LOOK WE DIDNT EVEN NEAR 150k!!
> PLEASE COMPARE US TO NEAR 1 MILLION VIEWERS PLEASE INCLUDE US

take your Pakistani Replica Championship and gtfo with this shit
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Cliff Compton - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:28:39 EST qmyEhY+O No.6423557 Reply
>>6423556
being 103rd aka not even charting in the Top 100 isn't exactly "charting" but yeah, do continue eating shit my friend.
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Drew McIntyre - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:30:20 EST VYMa2VAM No.6423559 Reply
>>6423557
if by eating shit you mean enjoying a wrestling show and being happy t