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#SpeakingOut Thread #5: ACH Was Right Edition

- Tue, 07 Jul 2020 14:16:13 EST nXvG6KX8 No.6417490
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El Santo - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 14:20:08 EST 0AcdH2Qk No.6417492 Reply
Well, where is the other part of Jay needing to talk or is that literally it?
Jun Akiyama - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 15:05:05 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6417504 Reply
literally all there was to it when Taeler posted that screencap
after that, she claimed that Lethal and Truth should have been carrying her bags
and then deleted that tweet.
Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 16:41:35 EST PPc0gdwd No.6417524 Reply
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>Putting Lethal in the OP image


I don't follow individual cases too closely but the vibe I've been getting is that there really isn't much stacked against Lethal

Then in the tweet posted in >>6417500 several women who've been in locker rooms with Jay are saying they believe him when he says he didn't do anything.

Lethal was dating AJ Lee for like 3 years and they never had sex once so it doesn't exactly fit with the fact that he would pressure someone into sex or anything else in that vein.
Gerald Brisco - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 16:51:23 EST GXxiN37g No.6417529 Reply
There's a real lack of meat on this one, everybody knows about Taeler's reputation being married into a literal con-artist family and the only other source is some chick saying she was informed of allegations against him from "multiple women", yet as you said there's multiple women with their actual names in view calling it out as bullshit in Jay's post. This is the exact kind of shit that sullies the whole movement, if you're going to make the accusation either make it or fuck off, you can't go half-way.
Jungle Grrrl - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 16:54:22 EST LtjcDe+s No.6417531 Reply
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>Lethal was dating AJ Lee for like 3 years and they never had sex once
Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 17:07:59 EST PPc0gdwd No.6417543 Reply
>This is the exact kind of shit that sullies the whole movement, if you're going to make the accusation either make it or fuck off, you can't go half-way.

I don't like when people say this kind of thing because in any movement without centralised or elected leadership, there's no mechanicism for controlling what everyone does. #SpeakingOut can't sanction or censor Taelor Hendrix in any way.

Like 92 out of 100 of the stuff coming out of this thing is proving to be based in reality. If I got 92 out of 100 in a college exam I'd be thrilled, I wouldn't be thinking to myself "Man 8 out of 100 I got wrong really fucked up the rest of it". So by the same token, acting like Hendrix's bad accusation is reflective of the entire thing is not the narrative that should be taken from all this.

Because /wooo/ is a male-dominated space Lethal has always caught shit for not having sex with Lee during their relationship, but in the midst Speaking Out all it does is make Jay look like a Saint amongst Sinners tbh.
Gerald Brisco - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 17:21:57 EST GXxiN37g No.6417548 Reply
It's not reflective of it, there's no doubt a large percentage of what's alleged has taken place at this point, it's that it actively takes it in a direction that's completely stupid. The YAASSS DRAG HIS ASS crowd that's just just looking for the next piece are going to be throwing Jay's name in a list with actual rapists and pedophiles because they've developed a Pavlovian response to seeing phrases like "multiple women" in callout posts instead of, y'know, actual stories with factual dates and certifiable people involved. It's a Twitter thing, I think a lot of people soured on the original #MeToo run towards the end of it for the same reason.
Jun Akiyama - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 17:26:24 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6417551 Reply
>I think a lot of people soured on the original #MeToo run towards the end of it for the same reason.
No, iirc, one of the major faces behind the start of #MeToo was found out to be a sex pest as well, putting a solid black eye on the movement. I had to look up the name, here it is

>Asia Argento, a #MeToo Leader, Made a Deal With Her Own Accuser
nb for non-wrestling
Obariyon - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 18:01:12 EST EYk/nnnQ No.6417558 Reply
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Guys this is all great and shit but can we please #MeToo Orton next? Completely drags down Edge's comeback for me so far
Lodi - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 18:07:05 EST cfOXxE22 No.6417560 Reply
Orton actually bothered to educate himself on stuff like BLM, police brutality and improve himself as a person.
Bully Ray - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 19:56:39 EST ytPbpJJm No.6417598 Reply
I don't think the guy you are replying to ever said that at all anywhere in that post.
You seem to be seeing something that isn't there at all.
Ultimate Warrior - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:01:58 EST 4M6bXef1 No.6417599 Reply
he said he educated himself on BLM, which improved him as a person. Unless he meant that educating and disagreeing with BLM made Orton improved as a person.
Taz - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:19:34 EST ytPbpJJm No.6417607 Reply
I don't understand what part of the guy's post you are taking offense to tbh
You're not expressing yourself very well
Latin Lover - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:24:54 EST GXxiN37g No.6417608 Reply
Are you just throwing shit at the wall to try and kick off a thread war or what? He never said those two things were related, mutually exclusive or anything of the sort. Relax.
Rick Steiner - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:50:47 EST U7rPNtr0 No.6417612 Reply
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oh my fucking god who honestly gives a shit at this point everyone who NEEDED to be outed already is. Will be surprised if this thread even fills up.
Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 21:19:52 EST PPc0gdwd No.6417621 Reply
>everyone who NEEDED to be outed already is

If you listen to April Hunter speaking to Dave Meltzer as I did, she very carefully explains why there are still an innumerable amount of women who have yet to come forward and may never come forward for a vast number of reasons, mostly because the men who'd they'd name hold power over them and could fuck up their lives quite easily.

April herself seemed extremely anxious talking to Dave about her own experiences but resolved to do it because she felt like she had to speak to the experience on behalf of her friends still in wrestling, and also because she felt that because she's basically out of the wrestling business she wouldn't get pyscho fans trying to ruin her career or something.

This run of guys getting named might come to an end but don't be fooled for a moment into thinking everyone who needed to be got was got. There will be people who get away from this because they have some kind of leverage over their victims/accusers.

April herself had a pretty damning accusation about herself and a colleague being mistreated by a WWE developmental territory but even now April said she's not going to name names nor go through with trying to expose it. It seems she thought she'd have about as much chance as a snowball in a hell getting any justice because of the length of time that has passed and because of the power WWE would have over it.

So yeah, it is absolutely NOT the case that everyone who needed to be named has been named. Things might die down, but that's only because nothing lasts forever and the news cycle does eventually have to move on.
Makoto - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 21:45:15 EST RgpMBobH No.6417632 Reply
Yep. And tbh, it wouldn't surprise me if over the coming weeks/months/even years we get the occasional drip of wrestlers being exposed for their shit. But unfortunately, because the business allows many people to be shitheads without any checks, there's gonna be a lot of people who get away with doing shit. Even guys from this recent round like Matt Riddle isn't gonna face any punishment, because of WWE wanting to push him.
Rick Steiner - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:19:40 EST U7rPNtr0 No.6417644 Reply
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hence why SASHA BANKS is bullshit for getting Sammy punished and yet will gladly accept work from a company OKAY with worse people actually DOING worse shit, like Riddle and others. Sasha doesnt give a fuck about morality or anything the movement claims to be about, none of them do. All they care about is parading about in the circus show that the movement is within pro wrestling, it's as real as the rest of the bullshit Womens Revolution in WWE always was. They prove that themselves.
Farooq - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:26:41 EST LtjcDe+s No.6417648 Reply
They got Lethal now? Damn...I really wonder if wrestling will ever recover...
Percy Watson - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:41:43 EST CmVM3fC3 No.6417652 Reply
Comparing 8 innocent lives being ruined to a school exam. What a great metaphor.
Asya - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:43:13 EST tzs2tHuX No.6417654 Reply
So Impact has almost all woman on the roster. Fired their shit heads while AEW and WWE leave theirs around. Has more people of color in prominent positions than any other promotion in America. Their commercials on Twitch are the family of Santos and her baby talking to their fans.

Why do people still think they are the problematic ones?
Taz - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:43:47 EST ytPbpJJm No.6417655 Reply
you eh.................you doin OK there m8 ?
Ya seem a bit.....................unhinged
Obariyon - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:44:03 EST QSYhnRQX No.6417657 Reply
Sasha wasn't even the one to bring this up. Like it's possible to want justice AND a career. Does that make anyone who works for WWE a saint? No. Should they just give up on improving the world in any way because they work for the largest wrestling company in the world? Also no
Jushin Thunder Liger - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:47:35 EST dmHKrzar No.6417659 Reply
>Then in the tweet posted in >>6417500 several women who've been in locker rooms with Jay are saying they believe him when he says he didn't do anything.

Uhh, Celt are you shoot retarded or something? There aren't any female wrestler replies to that Lethal tweet, just a bunch of wrestling fans.
Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 23:26:12 EST PPc0gdwd No.6417669 Reply
Just kayfabe retarded

I shouldn't have said several, but (possibly mistakenly) I thought that the top reply was by a woman who works as a photographer for ROH because she talks about sharing locker rooms with Lethal and taking photos for ROH shows.

This post was edited by Celt on 07-07-2020 23:28:24
Papaya - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 00:00:20 EST /pL9vdJW No.6417680 Reply
It's Sasha's fault that Sammy said those comments about her and then someone posted the audio on Twitter years later?
Leva Bates - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 00:02:07 EST PvOQ6M5D No.6417682 Reply
It's always the woman's fault, like when some guy can't lose his virginity
Jon Moxley - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 00:24:49 EST zeSu9n1o No.6417688 Reply
Also I like how you said in >>6417612 "oh my fucking god who honestly gives a shit at this point" and then immediately show that you give a shit by going on a tirade

Nicole Bass - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 08:55:54 EST BtiKk/tV No.6417752 Reply
Asia Argento didn't start MeToo, she is just one of those Hollywood types who hijacked it, like Alyssa Milano. Tarana Burke started MeToo and already said that the movement is for everyone, including men, and including those men who were speaking out on Asia Argento. The only high profile celebrity who said MeToo and actually meant it seems to be Rose McGowan, so more power to her.

I rarely agree with Celt's posts but I have to agree with him on this. You're acting like 92/100 is bad, and that the bad 8 haven't already been sussed out really well before doing any damage. No system is perfect and like he said there is no formal working system to do this sort of thing, in any business, but especially not some carny shit like wrestling.
Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 08:59:15 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417755 Reply
>8 innocent lives being ruined
has anyone in wrestling been proven to be falsely accused and suffered irreparable damage to their career and finances?
Asya - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 09:06:31 EST tzs2tHuX No.6417758 Reply
Are you saying a false accusation on matters if they lose their job and finances?
Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 09:18:41 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417765 Reply
responding to my question with a strawman question doesn't address what I asked.
But since we have to play this game: no that's not what I was implying.

The amount of time that people on wooo are spending on the "what about false accusations?!" topic is bordering on concern trolling because of the personal and unconscious biases of this site's male user base. There have been no arrests, no lawsuits, the only people who have lost their jobs are the people who most assuredly are guilty of the crimes they committed.

None of us are police officers or lawyers or these wrestlers' bosses. The only thing these victims are asking of us is to listen to them and take them seriously.
to use Celt's analogy, you/they are putting more weight on the 8 falsely accused wrestlers than the 92 actual victims.
This concern for "false accusations" is hypothetical. No wrestlers have come forward with compelling evidence that they were falsely accused and still suffered career setbacks. It's spending more time on something that has not happened and not enough time on what is actually being revealed.

If people are lying, they will be exposed Mo Malone lied about Michael Elgin and he got his day in court. And he was able to rebound in his career with a good, stable Impact gig and then he blew his chances away because he's still a meathead
Kevin Steen - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 09:58:09 EST 0AcdH2Qk No.6417773 Reply
I'm not following this miserable shit all day super close, but, I do hope this Hendrix cunt has gotten chewed out by colleagues for her bullshit conduct which serves only to make their movement look bad if anything
Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 10:01:17 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417774 Reply
i never said it only matters if they lose their job and finances.

the person above said "8 innocent lives being ruined" - so I'm asking how have innocent lives been ruined in this situation? Who was innocent and had their life ruined? There needs to be more context provided for a statement like that.

If that scenario hasn't happened yet... then it's just a hypothetical. And spending more time on a hypothetical than reality (actual rapists being exposed) is a deflection and concern trolling.
Hallowicked - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 10:59:22 EST 1twfG+vm No.6417780 Reply
Could only watch 30 seconds. Didn't understand what i was watching but I knew that I hated it
Eddie Kingston - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:19:58 EST UMacSvZd No.6417782 Reply
That guy is the worst. I have listened to some of his breakdowns on youtube and he has some serious issues.
Jobber - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 11:25:54 EST nD8Q1ZlY No.6417785 Reply
Just report it for hateful and abusive content and let the algorithm will do its job. TWFS has always been cesspool of cretins with mild interest in wrestling.
Eddie Kingston - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:25:57 EST UMacSvZd No.6417830 Reply
I fully agree that having an affair is not any of the fans business. Its a shitty thing to do but the amount of turbo virgins who are upset about the idea that a human being has cheated on his wife is kind of insane to me. That's not abuse. The claims of his abuse. If those are real. That sucks. If not. She sucks. I can't really say which is real and which isn't.
Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:26:20 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417831 Reply
>Candi Cartwright: I was assaulted by Matt Riddle and here's proof
>chud fans: not good enough lying whore, you just want attention and to hijack #speakingOut because you're a bitter jealous crazy ex
>Matt Riddle: uh i didn't do it uh
>same chud fans: good enough for me, sorry you had to even come forward like this notice me plz
Dawn Marie - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:45:51 EST eO0LigLP No.6417841 Reply
Riddle's handling of this situation is embarrassing. If this dude worked for any other company he'd be taken off TV or fired.

He's denied, lied, played the 'she's crazy bro' card, fucked up printing a statement twice and now he's making public statements admitting to cheating. Dude sounds like anything but a 'bro'

Is it really hard to believe the man who has seemingly cheated on his wife countless times could also be a big enough dickhead to force a woman into performing a sex act on him?
Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:55:12 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417842 Reply
but I like the version of him that I see on TV so that must be how he really is!
Leva Bates - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:57:14 EST PvOQ6M5D No.6417843 Reply
Cheating consensually is pretty different from forcing a sex act even though it's obviously a shitty thing to do your partner. But yeah, he's coming off like a big assclown, definitely not a bro.
Justin Gabriel - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 14:59:59 EST swtMIQwm No.6417844 Reply

It's embarrassing how modern wrestling fans react to stuff like this.

That's why Riddle is iffy now. The fact that he lied and said he didn't know her and made her come across as some crazy chick wasn't the right thing to do. He should be more honest.
Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:02:02 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417845 Reply
>modern wrestling fans
this is more than just a modern thing and it's more than just a wrestling thing.

It's human nature to give the benefit of the doubt to a celebrity/famous/powerful figure.
Likewise it's human nature to give men the benefit of the doubt
Desmond Wolfe - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:07:27 EST ZcoAes5B No.6417847 Reply
Yeah, it's kind of insane that DJ Hyde is still a part of the business. So many women have come forward but it hasn't stopped him at all.

>using "chud" unironically
Tiffany Mellon - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:32:49 EST C+OaJlsw No.6417852 Reply
Yeah, Riddle definitely assaulted her.

Fucking scumbag
Randy Orton - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:55:45 EST T5Ycresu No.6417856 Reply
Riddle would have been better off not saying anything at all, he comes off as a fucking idiot, maybe his brain is fried from all that ganja
Jazz - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:02:40 EST puVFimgo No.6417859 Reply
It's only tangentially related, but does anyone know why Amasis / Desean Pratt completely deleted all of his social media accounts in the past few weeks? I understand why Ophidian would make his twitter private because he's trying to distance himself from wrestling, but Amasis just disappearing is weird to me.
Obariyon - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:14:45 EST QSYhnRQX No.6417862 Reply
He had a similar moment to Ophidian actually. Announced he was stepping away for a while and all of that.
Amber O'Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 16:15:24 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6417863 Reply
don't forget concussions. and don't forget: he probably was never that smart to begin with
Kurrgan - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 18:38:55 EST jXqG4Qs2 No.6417917 Reply
Body language student here, you can take this for what its worth; going purely on his body language, I'm inclined to believe Riddle's telling the truth here. In fact, until this I thought he might have been guilty.

His behaviour is congruent with what he's saying i.e. the statement he's making/answer he's giving is backed up by his body language. When a person is lying they have subtle tells that give them away. Congruent behaviour implies a person is being honest with you and will match the statement or the action completely. This is very subtle and almost impossible to fake.

Riddle nodding when relaying the information piece by piece implies, on subtle level, he believes what he's saying, which means its very likely accurate. If he was lying and he knew he was lying he would be showing deceptive body language i.e. the reaction would be the opposite or some other tell would be showing up. His hand movement used to stress what he's saying while nodding is also congruent to me.

I don't see any signs of deceptive delight either, which show when someone is lying to you and trying to convince you of what they're saying. This would include slight smirking (getting delight over fooling someone) and/or slight raised shoulders (which indicate you're being non commital with what you're saying).

His drooping eyelids and raised eyebrows (as he's talking about the accuser allegedly harassing him) indicates contempt - not a 100% indicator of innocence as a guilty person could show contempt for an accuser. However, the quick head shaking when talking about the van trip shows shock/bewilderment at claims, again which implies to me he's innocent. Head shaking when saying things like "its not cool, I didn't want to brag about it" is also congruent, it indicates that that is how he feels.

Hope I've described well enough why I (who is not even a fan of Riddle) believes him to be innocent.
Mt. Fiji - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 18:54:38 EST jEGuiRVR No.6417922 Reply
>Body language student here
wtf is a body language student? Where are you a student of body language exactly?
Eddie Kingston - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 19:10:18 EST UMacSvZd No.6417929 Reply
This is the vibe I was getting as well. He doesn't come off as lying to me.
Tammy Jones - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 19:21:01 EST vFFRhxht No.6417933 Reply
bro reading a Self Help book on Detecting Liars and Reading Body Language isn't exactly credible in 2020
Makoto - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 19:22:21 EST RgpMBobH No.6417934 Reply
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>he believes what he's saying, which means its very likely accurate
Buddy Rogers - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 20:06:49 EST 6RcvwRLi No.6417948 Reply
He's a pro wrestler - his job is literally to convince you that what he's saying and doing is true when it's not.

>He's nodding, so he's telling the truth
>If he was lying, he'd be shaking his head at his own words

Veronica - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 20:52:04 EST bWZ+YR1t No.6417960 Reply
So did anything ever materialize about Darby Allin? Apparently there was a deleted tweet about him?
Jesse Neal - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 23:52:49 EST yWiERHBZ No.6418027 Reply
Quack was telling the truth but his enthusiasm made people think he was lying, but who gives a shit because he did the same thing that any booker/trainer has done before.
Ring Ryda Blue - Wed, 08 Jul 2020 23:56:01 EST vFFRhxht No.6418028 Reply
it was literally nothing
just more bitches scratching for something where there isn't any.
Classy Freddie Blassie - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:25:09 EST VYMa2VAM No.6420851 Reply
haven't watched yet but turning off people's comments is not a good way to get people to trust you when making a response video like that
i'm actually kinda curious to hear what he has to say but i don't have time right now
Goldust - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:34:11 EST Zas6iYjs No.6420859 Reply
he does show DMs and text messages though but people probably won't watch anyways and will ignore them since they've already made up their mind.
Mari Apache - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:48:21 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6420864 Reply
I skipped to the very end and he legit said

"I've reconnected with God now"

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO fuck out of here with that Shawn Michaels bullshit
Hamuko Hoshi - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:58:40 EST npmoWSca No.6420867 Reply
Got the "I'm not a scumbag" emergency shave going on like Quackenbush has
Tito Colon - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:11:43 EST npmoWSca No.6420875 Reply
He pulls a Austin Aries and literally says that since someone agreed to share a bed that meant that they consented to everything afterwards.
He also tries to disparage each victim of his abuse by showing proof that since they made bad tweets they are not reputable people.
Fuck him. As if there could be any more proof after assaulting 20 people that he's a piece of shit
Johnny Saint - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:25:02 EST IafLbfJh No.6420880 Reply
You should probably watch it yourself rather than just taking other people's interpretations.
Tito Colon - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:32:55 EST npmoWSca No.6420884 Reply
He put it out publicly because he knows the tactics he's using are manipulative and attack the accusers character rather than their claims. I'm about 3/4s done currently and he's using points Harvey Weinstein and other predators have used (and failed) to excuse his actions.
Tito Colon - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:58:16 EST npmoWSca No.6420896 Reply
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Joey does admit that Impact's internal investigations are mostly PR and they never did anything about investigating the claims made against him and just let him go.
Johnny Saint - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 21:26:41 EST IafLbfJh No.6420921 Reply

>Gets accused publicly
>Defends himself publicly

What an asshole.

He did address claims though. He does address the character of a few people, but that is relevant if you are trying to show they are being dishonest about situations that happened.

I'm not gonna say this absolves him. It's basically him giving his side of the story with some text/dms to back up his case without it being hard proof of his story. He even admits to being overly aggressive with the flirtiness with a couple women who weren't interested which isn't a good look but he apologized for whatever that's worth.
Macho Man Randy Savage - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 21:51:20 EST n9eKBgQH No.6420933 Reply
He uses a tweet Dani made about how he (Joey) would suicide as a way to avoid consequences for his actions as an example of her whole character. It's incredibly telling of his intentions, just as his mentioning that another accuser was unfaithful to their partner and saying someone wouldn't "wear his wrestling shirt" if he traumatized them.

I'll agree that he's not smart enough to be aware that the latter half of his video where he admits to overstepping boundaries and being leecherous brings into question his recollection of the events of the first half of the video, especially when he really hits the point that he needed to explicitly told no in order to acknowledge that he couldn't go farther.
Lance Storm - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 21:56:05 EST ZcoAes5B No.6420934 Reply
can we talk about how he probably thought shaving the mustache would make him look better but all it does it make him look like an even bigger sex pest
Phineas I. Godwinn - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:35:38 EST kT3aYrXd No.6420952 Reply
At least Michaels was incredibly sincere was doing it to break a drug addict that could have killed him
Savio Vega - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:54:34 EST G9cW5MRV No.6420962 Reply
Going through his video. Joey Ryan is pretty shit (or purposely) at blacking out names.

About twenty minutes in, when talking about two wrestlers who wanted to stay anonymous, but he showed private messages between them, you can clearly see names and dates partially obscured, allowing anyone with two working brain cells to figure out who he's talking about.


Penelope Ford and Joey got drunk, made out, fooled around, and started having sex, at which point, he said "You're vagina is so tight." and she told him to stop. She was feeling weird and had just broken up with Joey Janela. He left.

Priscilla Kelly and him hung out in a hotel room, laid down together, spooned, dry humped, and when he tried to take off her pants, she said no and that she was on her period. Joey said "I don't mind." (that's that rapey shit) and then she either jerked him off or blew him.

The Priscilla Kelly thing is noteworthy because he claims that she is overtly flirty with other men, cheats on Darby Allen quite a bit, and even confided in Joey that she is in a loveless relationship and doesn't even like Darby.
Hallowicked - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 00:01:48 EST x2yu9nV0 No.6420996 Reply
Joey Ryan is delusional as all hell.
Kurt Angle - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 00:50:58 EST LUMg+nxK No.6420999 Reply
Priscilla Kelly fucking sucks so if this was true i wouldn't be surprised
Ken Shamrock - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 01:01:17 EST PvOQ6M5D No.6421001 Reply
If it takes him 58 minutes to explain why he’s not a predator don’t even really need the recap.
Aero Star - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 01:11:06 EST JiNOnlCD No.6421005 Reply
Pretty stupid take. If it was a two minute video of him denying it and flashing some texts, they'd be saying he's being dismissive. He's going through each accusation with what he thinks proves he's not a rapist. A douche man slut who commits adultary and is way too emotionally unstable sure, but not a rapist.

If half of you keyboard warriors would just watch the video and them give an opinion that'd be one thing, but the fact that you don't says it all. Don't cry to me that it's too long. A court case (which nobody has presented yet) takes a hell of a lot longer.
Lance Storm - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 01:22:20 EST ZcoAes5B No.6421007 Reply
>Penelope Ford and Joey got drunk, made out, fooled around, and started having sex, at which point, he said "You're vagina is so tight." and she told him to stop. She was feeling weird and had just broken up with Joey Janela. He left.

Okay, that's fine. Joey made a move, Penelope said no, he backed off. Not necessarily misconduct.

>Priscilla Kelly and him hung out in a hotel room, laid down together, spooned, dry humped, and when he tried to take off her pants, she said no and that she was on her period. Joey said "I don't mind." and then she either jerked him off or blew him.

Yeah no that's definite sex pest behavior right there. Maybe not all the allegations are legit, but they don't have to be. Joey is guilty of enough to where he probably shouldn't come back to the business for a long, long time.
Bam Bam Bigelow - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 01:27:55 EST TthMVMNX No.6421008 Reply
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Yeah, its like he's completely overlooking his status and power within the word of wrestling. Of course these women would put on a smile and continue putting up him, he has a working relationship with almost every major indie company in the US and several overseas. On-top of that he's a nearly 20+ year veteran of the scene and is close friends with a boatload of top guys. The fear of being blackballed was a very legitimate concern for these women. Also trauma isn't something that just instantaneously happens, most folks repress that shit and don't realize until much later the full scope of what transpired.

Beyond that the video is basically a hour of Joey listing off the various ways he's a sad loser. I'm all for guys shooting their shots and trying to hook up but maybe after the third time awkward sexual misfire you'd think he'll realize his gameplan sucks and make some better life choices. Joey might have done enough to clear his name in the eyes of some folks but now he just comes off as a desperate creep which isn't much better. Guess it doesn't matter much now that he's found God, he'll just live off Christian wrestling booking. Man, spending the rest of your days wrestling Michael Traver and Crimson, now there's a real punishment.
DJ Skittlez - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 01:43:08 EST X3HfNDOH No.6421009 Reply
Joey Ryan was an all-time shitty wrestler waaaay before the dick spots that led to his "rock and roll lifestyle" or whatever bullshit he said when he got unsurprisingly outed as a sex-pest.

Last time I watched Joey jerk off in front of a camera for an hour it was the Super Dragon iron man match, that shit is not happening again lul.
Justin Roberts - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:09:39 EST BljdipzX No.6421011 Reply
Joey wasn't that bad of a wrestler before that match. That's the one he concussed himself into oblivion doing the Duff Drop to the outside. He was out for almost a year after that and was never the same afterward, though.
Macho Man Randy Savage - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:13:59 EST n9eKBgQH No.6421012 Reply
Dude tried to claim that he needed Elayna Black to help him get booked in the east coast and that Vanessa Craven had more power than him because she was in the Mae Young Classic
Tursas - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:22:36 EST FNl2xkvA No.6421013 Reply
I don't know how much sex y'all have had but being ok with period sex doesn't automatically make you rapey lol

Everything I'm seeing suggests he's a sex hound but that plenty of the women were willing to mess around. They're adults, I don't believe they were that stupid either. Guy needs help sex can't cure but you don't agree to a dick suplex after if you thought the guy assaulted you.

You guys seem to forget he was a PWG spot monkey turned dick wrestler. The meme didn't catch on right away. 20 years don't mean shit. Cham Pain has over 20 years and when's the last time he got booked anywhere of note?
Droz - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:31:33 EST 89OucTXK No.6421014 Reply
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So basically Joey was pretty creepy and desperate towards some girls - most of whom didn't even seem to mind all that much until they saw an opportunity to get some Twitter clout when all this shit blew up. That shows me he should have no business being involved in booking a show or driving girls to their hotel or having any sort of position of power over girls. But I don't think that makes him the Epstein of the wrestling business.

I mean I don't ever want to see him wrestle again because he sucks, but if he were the next Mitsuharu Misawa, I think he should be afforded a second chance at some point down the line. I felt this way about the situation long before his video, by the way. Just because he had a lot of allegations levied against him doesn't mean that every allegation = rape. There is definitely a problem in that Joey used his position in the wrestling business to use that to try to hook up with girls who were trying to break out, but he didn't rape anyone or do anything illegal from what I can tell. The worst one is probably the Rok-C one, because it revolved around him and the promoter(s) building up to her to "finally" touching Joey's dick when she turned eighteen. That's pretty fucked and what's more, he didn't seem to think that was at all problematic in his apology video. But again, I don't think that's a career ender. I mean it should be, because his gimmick is stupid and embarrassing, but if that's going to be his gimmick, whatever. She was eighteen and consensual and she didn't seem to mind until recently.

The common thread in a lot of these cases is a power imbalance. Usually trainer -> student or wrestler -> rat. Wrestlers should probably wise up and realize the rats have smart phones and Twitter now and should probably stop banging the first rat that will open her legs for them. The one that is seriously fucked up though is how rampant number of abuses there are for trainer -> student. It makes me think that wrestlers really shouldn't be training to wrestle until they're eighteen and there needs to be a lot more diversity and oversight in the wrestling schools. A certification of sorts, other than a blanket recommendation of, "I hear they're a good school." I don't know how that would begin to work with how weird the wrestling business is though.

For the record, Joey Ryan comes off like a total scumbag and a creepy dick. His timing of releasing this video on the day of Slammiversary and capping it by coming home to Jesus is fucking embarrassing. But in a vaccuum, I don't think his case is as bad as the ones like Starr or Gallagher or Devlin - just more pathetic and skeevy, I guess.
Macho Man Randy Savage - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:34:07 EST n9eKBgQH No.6421015 Reply
If you've gone viral, been on Impact twice, done tours around the world, and still need rookies to put in a word for you for bookings, then you really don't know how to make it in pro wrestling

Never mind all that shit though because highlighting that was a manipulative tactic to make Ryan seem like a meek and downtrodden figure when he would constantly brag about how much fame and money he made in wrestling. Either the "rock n roll" lifestyle got to him and afforded him all these vices or he was begging for bookings and sex.

It's neither and these are all just excuses he makes to cover up how many assaults he committed
Macho Man Randy Savage - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:37:42 EST n9eKBgQH No.6421016 Reply
>The worst one is probably the Rok-C one
Convenient that he shows text from other women after their assaults to disprove that the encounters weren't consensual but with Danielle Matheson he ends it at their agreement to share a hotel room and a bed, the same night she says he raped her.
Savio Vega - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:54:03 EST G9cW5MRV No.6421019 Reply
Joey is so tone deaf in his response. The fact that lots of his encounters occur while having drinks and getting trashed makes me believe that the women either weren't in a normal state of mind when things started up (hence why so many of them asked him to stop, and if he is to be believed, he did stop with little to no hesitation in most cases). I also believe that maybe Joey doesn't understand how aggressive or belligerent he might of been towards the women. If anyone ever sat through that vlog show he had with Candice a few years back, I'm sure they would attest to Joey Ryan being both a lush and a flirt. Horrible combination, especially when you have both seniority and power over some of these women's career opportunities.

That also stuck out to me. His defense of "I had no hard feelings and was always willing to book them and even try to get them booked on shows." Does he not realize how that can be construed as being an abuse of power? That the women who are friendly to him, and let him into their rooms, and that he engages in sexual acts with are then booked on future shows and getting their names spread to promoters and companies?

I'm sure some of the women felt a certain need to get on Joey's good side, since he is an elder statesman of indie wrestling and knows just about everyone of note and has considerable pull on the west coast. That's not saying that all these women were coerced into trading sexual favors for bookings, or that some didn't do it willingly, because I'm sure there were. But I also believe there is a little bit of "i hope i didn't make it weird. How bout I get you some bookings and we pretend it didn't happen, okay?"
Lanny Poffo - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 08:47:55 EST b6Ee22oP No.6421054 Reply
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>Joey does admit that Impact's internal investigations are mostly PR and they never did anything about investigating the claims made against him and just let him go.
good job, impact
Howard Finkel - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:35:03 EST bTZFvTbr No.6421110 Reply
Take your hate boner out your fucking month, fucking hell.

And I have no time for the likes of Joey Ryan and never have.
Bobby Fish - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:44:53 EST 0ryKuxee No.6421114 Reply
quack's facial hair was the same as he always had, maybe even a bit thicker - joey shaved off the stache to try and make him look less scummy but it didn't work

and i know joey is individually addressing every allegation but how does this still come out to 58 minutes? also a bit weird to have comments disabled
Honky Tonk Man - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 12:00:09 EST bYGFf3vF No.6421119 Reply
Why was my post deleted? This guy is defending a predator so he can stick it to impact. Hes cancer.
User is currently banned from all boards
Wifebeater - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:08:11 EST 3z9mtOnj No.6421158 Reply
Pretty much. I said it before in the earlier threads when this was blowing up, but just don't let fans backstage, don't let them in before the show, don't let them set up, don't let them sell merch, don't let them drive you, don't let them in the afterparty unless it's an official monitored event, and don't ever let them in your hotel room. Period.

That was in regards to underage people and the BritWres scene having a problem with underage girls taking up with wrestlers. Maybe there needs to be a policy overall that underage people are fans until they turn 18 and then you can start working. As far as grown adults, you should probably have a policy to just not sleep with anybody involved, fans or other wrestlers.

But this is the real world and people hook up, especially young people, especially people who roll around with each other for a living, especially people who travel long hours and work their bodies hard. You try to suggest someone isn't mature enough to make that decision or that you know better, you'll get a ton of "how dare you" pushback. Everyone thinks they're mature enough in the moment, and while there is such a thing as being taken advantage of, there's also such a thing as letting yourself be taken advantage of. Many of these encounters Joey had, based on the evidence he provides, suggests they were a wiling party at the time.

Don't get me wrong, he clearly has a lot of issues that he hasn't been willing to actually do anything about. Sure his divorce messed him up and he's emotionally needy, but all these instances all in a row sure make it seem like he's an undiagnosed sex addict. If you're that desperate to not sleep alone, like any addict, you'll do and say whatever you have to to get your fix. Even if these encounters were consensual, there's a lot of problematic stuff here: he was drunk for several of them, he hooked up with close co-workers, he hooked up when one or both were on the rebound, he hooked up with people in relationships, and he simply can't remember or doesn't know if some of them happened (but is willing to concede they might have.) That's all besides the idea that he could influence their careers.

I know the basic response will be something like "it's easy, just don't be a creep." But I'm looking at these texts, and no matter how creepy you determine them to be, the other party is responsive to it. Of course don't be a creep, but let's get real, don't play along with a creep either.

All things being a teachable moment, it's not defending him or blaming the victim, rather, stating the reality of things in order to prevent future people in future situations from doing the same thing. #MeToo isn't a fad, it's not going away. Gotta be smart about what you do, no matter your heinie hookups.

His career is over and no charges are being brought against him, so, to me, that's the best course of action moving forward. At least in terms of being part of the solution and not just dunking on someone because it makes you feel good.
Macho Man Randy Savage - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:27:34 EST n9eKBgQH No.6421168 Reply
> Of course don't be a creep, but let's get real, don't play along with a creep either.
This is honestly bullshit. Look at his text with Danielle Matheson, prograpslady. This was someone that Ryan himself admits was a person that bonded with him over mental health and became a safety net to check each other on their well beings. Was that playing along with a creep, when Matheson's interactions with him that he's shown were mainly that of a friend seeing how his mood was that day? What about Rok C who is messaging him as a friend and talking to an industry vet?

Throughout the video Ryan plays that he's a meek and vulnerable guy dealing with insecurities and hurt from past relationships. The image he's presenting is that he's looking for friends and people to get in touch with. He's not outwardly exuding danger and creepiness, so why is it the fault of the victims for trusting that persona he's disguising himself with?
Egotistico Fantastico - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:32:01 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6421169 Reply
>His career is over
He will wrestle again but when & where are yet to be determined. Probably for Ian Rotten
Mick Foley - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:35:22 EST vXLB9XqI No.6421170 Reply
As long as there is the possibility that he will draw a crowd, he will be booked. Sooner or later he will be back.
Kurt Angle - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:37:29 EST LUMg+nxK No.6421173 Reply
I think the people who cared to see Ryan don't really care about him anymore.
Delirious - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:00:52 EST oWLdzxNc No.6421176 Reply
i feel like joey will be back but the sleeze gimmick is dead for sure he will need to totally reinvent himself the same way david benoit could never wrestle as chris benoit jr joey ryan wont be doing many dick flips any time soon. as for his apology honestly if your first step is to attack the accusers and question their credibility that pretty much ruins everything if he wanted to apologize he should have done so to each person privately then explained his actions and went away to seek help which he clearly needs to some degree. and that would be that in time he could return and show the world he is a changed man and thats that. for some reason people either dont understand how to apologize or feel this need to attack while apologizing and deny any room for those attacked to defend themselves which just makes it worse. keep stuff private but also make sure people know you did apologize.
Matt Classic - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:55:14 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6421187 Reply
> I don't know how much sex y'all have had but being ok with period sex doesn't automatically make you rapey lol
When someone is using that to politely say "no" and you insist...you're at the very least falling into "no means no" territory, if not outright rapey
Scotty 2 Hotty - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:16:10 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6421200 Reply
I defer to this saying: "'No' does not mean 'convince me'." If a woman says (or implies) "no", and a man keeps trying to convince her to say "yes", he's refusing to take "no" for an answer - and that can easily lead to rape if he keeps refusing.

"No" is an answer. It requires no explanation or justification. Anyone who refuses to accept "no" as an answer is, at best, an asshole.
Bill Alfonos - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:13:28 EST IcGSpXlu No.6421281 Reply
You don't know how it was said. Did you consider she may have actually been on her period? Most girls, even the freaky ones, dont like to do it with Aunt Flo. Y'all's confirmation bias is showing big time. It's what happens when you assume women aren't strong enough to speak up for themselves.
Wifebeater - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:21:51 EST 3z9mtOnj No.6421287 Reply
Note, I didn't say "don't play along with a meek and vulnerable guy with insecurities looking for friends and people to get in touch with who is not outwardly exuding danger and creepiness." I said "don't play along with a creep."

My point isn't that Ryan was obviously a total sleazeball and anybody who interacted with him was an idiot (although some people are acting like that's true based on his gimmick.) My point is, as soon as they drop the facade and exhibit that creep behavior, don't tolerate it, don't laugh at it, don't play along with it, just shut it down. Nip it in the bud. It might cost you opportunities or make them not like you or bad mouth you (in which case they prove flat out that you made the right decision,) but better to regret what could have been instead of something horrible that has been. It's not the victim's fault, but that doesn't mean you can't be smart about it and prevent it from happening.
Tito Colon - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:39:45 EST npmoWSca No.6421292 Reply
It's a complicated issue. Two girls, one who Ryan assaulted and another that he made uncomfortable with his advances, have said that they kept quiet for fear of blackballing or it affecting their bookings. We've seen in cases like Pollyanna that not tolerating creep bevavior (after the fact in the cases of Scott Wainwright and Jimmy Havoc) got her blacklisted by Wainright's friends and spurned by Havoc's friends who sided with the abuser over someone trying to out a creep.

Joey Janela pointed out when the news was breaking about Ryan that Ryan (to the boys) was known as a creep but they thought it was at least a worl. Dave Marquez who worked with Ryan 20 years says he never say anything. The issue is there are two groups who saw Ryan for what he was, his potential abuse survivors, and his circle in the locker room, and by the time the former say that side of him, or really any creep, it may have been too late for them to speak
Tito Colon - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:44:58 EST npmoWSca No.6421297 Reply
To add to this I agree that the protected group of people like Janela should have came out stronger to rebuke Ryan and others like him.
Droz - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:06:04 EST 3z9mtOnj No.6421354 Reply
Most definitely. Make no mistake, influence is a huge factor, even if a person merely assumes that's the case (hence my suggestions above about policies.) And whether it's the carny business of wrestling or the so-called legitimate businesses of finance/real estate/manufacturing/etc., the fact remains that influence rules the game. The boss picks who gets promoted. The interviewer picks interviewee he wants to meet again. We live in a very subjective society, and it goes beyond the bonds of the superior/subordinate relationship.

But you also can't ignore that there are girls who wore his shirt and did matches with him and did penis spots with him after the fact. It doesn't change what they may have felt, but it changes what people's perception is.

That's what I'm trying to say, the more we allow it to happen, the more it's going to happen. Maybe it wasn't Joey Janela's place to out Ryan, especially if he didn't really have the stories confirmed. But this isn't Ospreay sticking up for his friend, this is double digit incidents that are, at best, a muddy mess of alcohol, depression, and emotional instability. It's a complicated issue because people know what's right and wrong and they also know what they're willing to do to get what they want and keep things stable, if uncomfortable. If this is something we really care about, we need to change ourselves as well. We can't let the rumors swirl for 20 years and then all come out at once to decide someone's a monster and they're cancelled and move on like the problem's solved.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 11:42:46 EST HWYsl/vq No.6426886 Reply
>Kongo Kong discussed the #SpeakingOut allegation against him, his exit from Impact Wrestling and more in a new interview with Pollo Del Mar of the Arm Drag Takedown. Kong, you may recall, was accused by independent wrestler Kyle Boone of forcing Boone to show him his genitalia in front of the entire locker room at a show and demanding that Boone give him the money he earned from selling merchandise and working a show. Kong issued a statement apologizing to Boone and noting that Boone had been “hugs and smiles” after the incident, saying that had he known there was an issue, he would have tried to talk to Boone about it earlier. On Boone’s accusations:

>“My, I guess, thought process was, if that kid is hurt, I don’t want to say anything or do anything that would cause him to do any harm to himself. That was the basis for my apology. I didn’t go into the story, because, really, it happened behind the curtain and should have stayed behind the curtain. If there was an issue, it should have stayed between us or he could have involved a coach, the promoter or any of the other people around us that he trusts. It was a blow, because — as I said, a year-and-a-half had passed.”

It seems like this was a hazing "making the younger wrestler pay his dues" type-situation but this fraternity-type stuff going on the locker room, while it isn't as prevalent now, still does exist in some fashion.
Lash LeRoux - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 13:36:57 EST b6Ee22oP No.6426951 Reply
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Kongo Kong... forcing Boone to show him his genitalia in front of the entire locker room at a show and demanding that Boone give him the money he earned from selling merchandise and working a show.

>Kong issued a statement
>it happened behind the curtain and should have stayed behind the curtain

What a fucking moron
Tommaso Ciampa - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 14:17:26 EST Ybchf0OF No.6426969 Reply

>it happened behind the curtain and should have stayed behind the curtain

I see Kongo Kong went to the Hulk Hogan academy of "sincere apologies."
Natalya - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 14:29:30 EST EWiQh0da No.6426972 Reply
Why do people keep memeing that Kongo Kong is an Impact guy? He must have done like one or two sets of tapings and then got fired and that was in like 2017.

I just realized the id who posted that picture.
Nikita Koloff - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 15:05:59 EST QNg50JFS No.6426986 Reply
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>Admitting to a crime on social media
>Awkwardly trying to defend yourself or using "...it's none of you business" in the very same post
I know I shouldn't expect big brains from a pro wrestler, but this just is so tremendously dumb and it just keeps happening.
John Nord - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 15:34:28 EST f57uQJRi No.6426998 Reply
And best of all....he "lawn Darted" Johnny Impact.
Wish I had the gif of that. 'twas a beautiful thing.
Natalya - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 16:10:40 EST EWiQh0da No.6427032 Reply
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He was BARELY used in those two years. I watched every episode during this time and saw him maybe a handful of times. They started an angle one time and then it went no where and he never appeared again until they did some weird pool segment in Toronto almost a year later.

Here are all the places he wrestled in those two years. Would not call him an Impact guy at all.
Natalya - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 16:15:52 EST EWiQh0da No.6427037 Reply
Just checked. Five appearances between 2018-2020 and three of them were in partnership with Canadian indies for those house show things they did. Serious Impact guy here.
Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 16:42:26 EST M1ahJWky No.6427054 Reply
I wouldn't say Kongo was an "Impact guy" but I'd say he was an former impact talent.

Anyway if you want to make speaking out a console war thing then let's remember some things. Isn't it amazing that during this whole deal barely any full time WWE or AEW guys got called out? Like what are the chances that both big companies with their massive rosters managed to dodge a bullet?
Suwama - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 17:04:37 EST PvOQ6M5D No.6427063 Reply
They're the highest paying companies so most people who might have any knowledge are probably in the industry and wouldn't want to risk a future job.
Natalya - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 19:01:04 EST EWiQh0da No.6427124 Reply
So..it goes back to my original point. I don't get why people call him an Impact guy. He was barely used. And using the speaking out stuff to console war is in bad taste.

Kongo Kong is a sick fuck.
Isis The Amazon - Mon, 03 Aug 2020 19:02:30 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6427125 Reply
>the promotion he made the most appearances for in those years was Impact
>but he wasn't an impact guy
lol, just shut the fuck up

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