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Ratings War General #3: Flavordome: Three Show Enter, One Show Leaves

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- Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:20:38 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6429314
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Demos! Total viewers! DVR numbers! Nielsen boxes! Playstation Vue numbers! RECORD. LOW. RATINGS. Showbuzz Daily! Love & Hip Hop!

This is the (continuing) all-purpose discussion thread for the 24/7 newscycle about Nielsen ratings for pro wrestling shows on tv: Raw, Smackdown, Backstage and the Wednesday Night Nuclear Arms Race between NXT and the upstart wrestling league AEW.
Previous thread here: >>6383235

Discussion of ratings for other wrestling shows (Dark side of the Ring, IMPACT, ROH, MLW, and WOW: Women of Wrestling) is allowed too if they chart.

link for stuff to follow
>http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/
>https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez
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Icarus - Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:22:56 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6429315 Reply
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NUMBER ONE IN THE DEMO!
WWE SmackDown Moves Up In The Overnight Ratings
>Friday's WWE SmackDown drew an average of 1.956 million viewers in the overnight ratings, according to Showbuzz Daily. Hour one drew 1.924 million viewers, then hour two went up to 1.988 million viewers.

>SmackDown also drew an average of 0.5 rating in the 18-49 demographic, which was #1 for the night.

>If the number holds up, it would be up 3.3% in viewership from last Friday's SmackDown episode, which drew an average of 1.894 million viewers with a 0.5 rating in the 18-49 demographic.

>SmackDown was #8 for the night among the networks in viewership. It came in behind: Shark Tank, 20/20, Greatest #AtHome Videos, Magnum P.I., Blue Bloods, The Wall, and Dateline NBC. Greatest #AtHome Videos topped the night at 3.736 million viewers.

>Final ratings will be out on Monday.
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/08/wwe-smackdown-moves-up-in-the-overnight-ratings-673307/
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Tugboat - Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:28:22 EST 25SVkeKi No.6429319 Reply
I highly suggest people hide this thread.
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Malia Hosaka - Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:58:12 EST rqbeZnm6 No.6429339 Reply
>discussions of other shows
>Dark Side of the Ring
Isn't this over?
>Women of Wrestling
Isn't this canceled?
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Icarus - Sat, 08 Aug 2020 17:59:50 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6429341 Reply
>>6429339
DSOTR will be back for season 3.
And WOW apparently intends to find another network.
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Devil Masami - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:28:09 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6430674 Reply
>FOX will be airing a two-hour special to promote WWE's 2020 Summerslam PPV on Saturday 8/22, PWInsider.com has confirmed.

>WWE Summerslam's Hottest Moments will air in the New York City market from 4-6 PM. The special may air in other timeslots depending on the market.

>The special will feature highlights from the history of WWE's annual August PPV, which debuted in 1988.
pwi

that's network TV fox, not FS1
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Devil Masami - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:23:33 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6430718 Reply
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Raw Underground = DRAW
>Monday's WWE RAW episode, featuring Week 2 of RAW Underground and more SummerSlam build with Kevin Owens vs. Randy Orton in the main event, drew an average of 1.722 million viewers on the USA Network, according to Showbuzz Daily.

>This is up from last week's 1.715 million viewers.

>For this week's show, the first hour drew 1.811 million viewers (last week's hour 1 - 1.710 million), the second hour drew 1.754 million viewers (last week's hour 2 - 1.824 million) and the final hour drew 1.610 million viewers (last week's hour 3 - 1.610 million).
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/08/wwe-raw-viewership-up-for-week-2-of-raw-underground-673421/
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Diamond Dallas Page - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:26:50 EST Ybchf0OF No.6430721 Reply
>>6430718

>Raw Underground = DRAW
>drew less than last week at the end of the 2nd hour and the same amount in the 3rd hour
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Diamond Dallas Page - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:30:47 EST Ybchf0OF No.6430726 Reply
>>6430725

What hour(s) did RETRIBUTION throw the cinder block and flip the car?
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Devil Masami - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:35:24 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6430729 Reply
>>6430726
i don't know, i didn't watch. More fans tuned at the start of the show and they held steady for the 3rd hour; viewers wanted to see how the Retribution and Underground stuff unfolded.
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Alex Shelley - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:50:19 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6430737 Reply
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This is just shocking. Like remove the entire Demos vs Viewers "arguement". RAW is up 700k-1mil on AEW and AEW is still pulling the better younger demo. Advertisers aside that should scare the shit out of them
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Maryse - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:53:39 EST cfOXxE22 No.6430738 Reply
>>6430737
Young people just don't enjoy WWE's product, it's made by an out of touch 80 year old man and a bunch of corporate dipshits who will probably discover flossing in 9 months time.

As much as people grumble about the Bucks + Omega pandering to smarks, those internet fans ARE the young demo, and if you treat them like shit they're just gonna find something else to watch
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Gordon Solie - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:15:51 EST oWLdzxNc No.6430747 Reply
>>6430737
the reason this happens is so simple and they never seem to figure it out. wwe is good when it comes to little kids and old people and its easy to see why little kids are gonna be easily drawn in by the john cenas and roman reigns type faces (if aew can ever manage to start stealing the children from wwe thats when you know things are getting bad) and as for the old people they mainly watch because that is who the show is made for its made by out of touch old people for out of touch old people if wwe wanted to get the demos they would promote younger guys thats the reason why people like nxt theres more people and characters you can relate to on nxt than in main roaster wwe.
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Little Egypt - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:17:52 EST jEGuiRVR No.6430748 Reply
>>6430737
>lost nearly 2 million viewers in as many years in America
>Italy dropped them for AEW
>on a channel in the UK that is in less than 2 million homes and they pull in the kinda viewership IMPACT pulls on Twitch

I dunno what AEW's TV deal is like in Canada and Mexico, but things could get very bad for WWE a lot quicker than anyone ever imagined. WWE is a global brand but it's not making new or young fans? What happens in 2-3 years when AEW has the superior video game and more yutes become familiar with AEW and maybe start watching it?
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Ricky Reyes - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:24:33 EST 0rNg/Imp No.6430750 Reply
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>>6430737
> Should scare the shit out of them
oh it does, believe you me, it does.


I mean can't you tell by how desperately they and their fans try their hardest to cut the legs out from beneath them every single week? It's fuckin glorious to witness. Truly, shaking in the boots they lick.

meanwhile...
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Maryse - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:27:53 EST cfOXxE22 No.6430751 Reply
>>6430750
AEW are totally gonna get him over for a segment one day when they aren't head to head
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Justice - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:50:43 EST dYhrmb6W No.6430757 Reply
>>6430751
Ehhh, I doubt it. It would be one thing if Food Network was another Turner Network or part of WarnerMedia (Fieri's a huge part of Food Network's branding) but Food Network is owned by Discovery. It's unlikely Discovery would let him go on a WarnerMedia network.
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Alex Shelley - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:56:28 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6430786 Reply
>>6430750
>>6430756
>>6430760
Seeing as how WWE did a Dinner Impossible with WWE for Summerslam thats how Robert Irvine and Gali Kim met I wouldn't put it outside the realm of fantasy that a few WWE stars could end up on a GGG Special or Chopped or something. It's happened dozens of times already
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Ricky Reyes - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:23:15 EST 0rNg/Imp No.6430790 Reply
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>>6430786
that would be so fucking whack tho and you know it

What is Renee Young gonna sponsor her Cookbook there?

Please. Fun would be nonexistent with how controlled their appearances are even outside the company. AEW would actually have a sense of the meme in doing it, whereas you fucking Know all the wwe would be doing it for is because AEW thought of it first.
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Alex Shelley - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:28:28 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6430792 Reply
>>6430790
>>6430786
I wouldn't put it outside the realm of fantasy that a few AEW stars could end up on a GGG Special

I fucking meant to say AEW stars but thinkin about Gali Kim distracted me
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Ricky Reyes - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:33:46 EST 0rNg/Imp No.6430794 Reply
>>6430792
lol i thought for a second you just tried making the same post except with AEW in place to be funny. Smh. Understandable have a nice day nb
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 20:43:58 EST cajoPv45 No.6430816 Reply
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>>6430792
>thinkin about Gali Kim distracted me
Perfectly understandable.
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Truth Martini - Tue, 11 Aug 2020 20:54:49 EST qAkWtYki No.6430818 Reply
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>>6430792
>thinkin about Gali Kim distracted me

why the hell are the full frontal leaks of Irvine but not her
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Chiva IV - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 08:12:37 EST cfOXxE22 No.6430921 Reply
>>6430918
Oh yeah I can 100% see Darby getting over with kids the way Jeff Hardy did, if the guy doesn't do anything super dumb he's gonna be huge
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Rob Conway - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:51:49 EST lLyPkEhR No.6430948 Reply
>>6430930
Darby Is the definition of plucky underdog babyface. Hes got a weird stoic charisma and he acts like he couldn't care less how hurt he gets as long as he has a chance of winning.
Its a classic recipie for delicious dimes casserole.
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Rhett Titus - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:01:12 EST OVze3b8W No.6430967 Reply
>>6430921
the also Hardys had a lot of fangirls. I listened to some old interviews by Meltzer and the Matt and Edge ones were the only ones with female callers
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Cheerleader Melissa - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 12:19:23 EST JvbZ8j8l No.6430983 Reply
>>6430978
Fuck I miss crowds.

I am hyped for the first PPV after people can gather again.
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Chiva IV - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 15:26:24 EST cfOXxE22 No.6431042 Reply
>>6430983
Yeah, the crowd reaction when Darby hit the coffin drop on Mox in the title match last week would have been huge
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Masada - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:04:06 EST lfl4hLRg No.6431452 Reply
>>6431448
Lil sad AEW lost 100k but almost 800k is still not bad, but what the fuck happened to NXT? I heard the show was better than average.
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Mickie Knuckles - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:05:24 EST Ybchf0OF No.6431457 Reply
>>6431452

Remember the last time NXT didn't chart in regards to demo, they barely beat AEW in viewership.
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Jesse Neal - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:18:04 EST tXBhbtjn No.6431482 Reply
Maybe baiting the fans for a guy that doesn't have the best reputation right now wasn't the best idea
People forget NXT has an overrun that factors into their ratings, so the main event almost certainly caused the whole show to go down
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Antonio Inoki - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:21:22 EST n9eKBgQH No.6431488 Reply
>>6431482
> Maybe baiting the fans for a guy that doesn't have the best reputation right now wasn't the best idea
Good thing you clarified NXT because this could have been about Jericho or Dream
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Jesse Neal - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:25:00 EST tXBhbtjn No.6431493 Reply
>>6431488
No one was pissed at Jericho because there was literally one photo where you can't even see anyone's face and the only person in the crowd in view has a mask on. People aren't stupid, they saw through the fake outrage and know AEW or Sturgis wouldn't let him perform without being tested. Dream was the mystery opponent, even though he's still being suspected of grooming while WWE has yet to take any action against him and only rewards him for it. Don't even try to say they are the same thing.
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Hollywood - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:25:38 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6431494 Reply
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>>6431448
>MONSTER UNDER THE BRIDGE - 1,079,000
>GREAT WHITE DOUBLE TROUBLE - 917,000

EATS ALL PETITE WRESTLING
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El Hijo del Ice Cream - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:29:21 EST RAu3x5Bp No.6431498 Reply
Still coming to terms with the anger people express over Alvarez posting a number followed by a somewhat smaller number tbh.
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Zelda The Brain - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:31:27 EST r1FzMSXm No.6431500 Reply
Predictions for Saturday Dynamite numbers
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:39:42 EST wMKAoJy1 No.6431506 Reply
>>6431498
Every single week, without fail, it's the exact same cast of characters posting the exact same tired shit over and over and over and over. It's some of the saddest shit you'll ever see. Do these people not realise you have a finite amount of time in this life on this Earth and they are wantonly wasting theirs. I'm past the point of pity with them though, now I just laugh at them because clowns is what they want to be. Your life pal, you wanna waste it like that, go for it. I'm gonna go live in the real world.
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Lance Hoyt - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:22:30 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6431533 Reply
>>6431506
I decided to watch the subcirclejerk today because circlejerk is literally the only thing unblocked at work (and I don't get service cause its a concrete building) and the only thing they had for me was "standby"

It's absolutely fucked how angry WWE fans are. Ever since the tweet about Dynamite beating them in the 18-34 and the Meltzer tweet about recognition (Which I think is improbably but unlikely) they are fucking MAD

They have made at least a dozen angry threads today about everything you could ever bitch or make up about AEW. The few threads that are actually good critiques (Lack of women's division, the shitty treatment of their African American talent, Cody's obnoxious reign of terror [possible heel turn] coming at the cost of other talent, show timings) shoots to 100 posts instantly of insane ranting and raving about Meltzer/F4W/ect. As I type this they are having a celebration thread over the fact RAW beat Dynamite in the 18-34.

Thats along with the normal amount of legitimate schizophrenia tier posts. Somehow all of F4W, TNT, /circlejerk mods, Twitter Trends are ALL together in a massive shadow cabal to bring down WWE. As soon as NXT thread gets unpinned 2-3 "Lol unpinning NXT because the mods are paid AEW shills" threads get posted. Whenever any thread (whether it be legit or shitposting) that is negative AEW/positive WWE 5-10 posts immediately flood in about how the mods will delete the thread cause it's pro AEW.

I swear these people are fucked in the head. The worst part is AEW fans partake in a slightly subdued version of the same shit. I've seen countries at war be less aggressive toward each other.

The online discourse around pro-wrestling is so awful I can't imagine how people post about it for more than a handful of minutes a day.
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Mitch Ryder - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:24:37 EST LUMg+nxK No.6431535 Reply
>>6431533
It was less angry during the MNW.

Although im sure there were some unironic heel jeff jarrett marks but those people are fucked in the head
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Gavin Loudspeaker - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:27:13 EST NbxmdHMb No.6431537 Reply
Jesus Wednesday night is supposed to be "wrestling night" now when just barely over 1 million people watch?
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Hollywood - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:32:27 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6431541 Reply
>>6431539
>contrarianism
more like "sincerity"

>great punches
>out-carnied Vince
>kucked an olympic gold medalist
>kept non-WWE alternatives alive for a decade
>was the first to pioneer the India market
>discovered AJ Styles
>incredible performances in AAA
>brought NJPW to US TV
>hit Fabulous Moolah with a guitar
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Mitch Ryder - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:33:37 EST LUMg+nxK No.6431542 Reply
>>6431541
I was talking about 2000s wcw era jarrett, not post-wcw jarrett as i didn't follow him after that
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Hollywood - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:37:04 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6431546 Reply
>>6431542
he still fun matches with Benoit, DDP, Booker T and Sting. The Starrcade 2000 Bunkhouse Brawl is a fun garbage match.
he hit Beetlejuice AND Gary Coleman with guitars.

He was fun.
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:37:30 EST wMKAoJy1 No.6431548 Reply
>>6431533
>Somehow all of F4W, TNT, /circlejerk mods, Twitter Trends are ALL together in a massive shadow cabal to bring down WWE.
Back in the 90s the online WWF-drone narrative was that Ted Turner was paying off Nielsen for the ratings wins for the 83 weeks. That was a real thing back in the nascent IWC of the day. Somethings never change eh.
but yeah R3ddit is 100% compromised astroturfed WWE shill territory too, but it also attracts the most insane hardcore uninronic drone fans as well who are plugged into a permanent feedback loop 3cho ch@mber. The most toxic elements of WWE fandom live there and are cultivated there, by design. It's a horrible wretched place and one should never go there even if only to laugh at them. As I've noted in another thread I'm not personally ethically okay with punching down on people with lowered mental capacity by laughing at them for entertainment. But when they are as toxic as the environment over there fosters them to be, you should also not tolerate them either.
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:41:23 EST wMKAoJy1 No.6431552 Reply
>>6431541
>kucked an olympic gold medalist
>discovered AJ Styles
>brought NJPW to US TV
yeah like that guy said, contrarianism
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Mitch Ryder - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:42:52 EST LUMg+nxK No.6431556 Reply
>>6431546
im not saying he was a bad wrestler, i just thought him being everywhere was lame, and the chosen one gimmick sucked a wet one. i did like the match he had at spring stampede 2000 with ddp tho
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:43:13 EST M1ahJWky No.6431557 Reply
circlejerk, by design, is for bandwagoners.

the wrestling subcirclejerk is like 99% WWE and AEW marks
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Bryce Remsburg - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:55:44 EST bTZFvTbr No.6431573 Reply
>>6431498
And yet people still call it a Wednesday Night War when it never will or has been.

More like a pillow fight. Or something less than a pillow fight. Water balloons?
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:59:51 EST M1ahJWky No.6431578 Reply
>>6431573
How can we meme the phrase "Wednesday Night Pillow Fight" into reality to the point when in twenty years from now it will be the title of the wikipedia page?
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Hollywood - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:01:36 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6431580 Reply
>>6431578
>All Petite Wrestling: Wednesday Night Pillow Fight
maybe they'll finally crack a million
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:12:38 EST wMKAoJy1 No.6431586 Reply
>>6431580
Maybe ease up throwing all those stones from that glass house of yours there pal
>>6431363
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:29:38 EST wMKAoJy1 No.6431602 Reply
>>6431590
And how many in the US again?
Given that is the parameter of the discussion being had?
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Zack Sabre Jr. - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:40:17 EST KcQdKeVe No.6431605 Reply
>>6431602
>The parameter of the discussion is US only
According to who?

Why you tryna deflect from AEW not getting a million and change the subject to TNA?
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:47:22 EST wMKAoJy1 No.6431609 Reply
>>6431605
The parameter of discussion is # of viewers in America as that is how AEW's number is measured. Saying TNA gets more than a million viewers (factoring in the REST OF THE WORLD) as a "win" over AEW only getting close to 1 million in America (which they have done a few times the past few weeks btw) is not a like for like argument. Laughing about how AEW can't hit 1 million viewers overall which is measured solely in domestic US numbers then bragging about how TNA has MILLIONS OF VIEWERS (but only factoring in every single country they air in) is a shitty bad faith argument where you are changing the parameters of the argument to fit your desired outcome. Your argument is incorrect. You are changing the criteria to give you the outcome you want.
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:47:22 EST wMKAoJy1 No.6431610 Reply
>>6431605
The parameter of discussion is # of viewers in America as that is how AEW's number is measured. Saying TNA gets more than a million viewers (factoring in the REST OF THE WORLD) as a "win" over AEW only getting close to 1 million in America (which they have done a few times the past few weeks btw) is not a like for like argument. Laughing about how AEW can't hit 1 million viewers overall which is measured solely in domestic US numbers then bragging about how TNA has MILLIONS OF VIEWERS (but only factoring in every single country they air in) is a shitty bad faith argument where you are changing the parameters of the argument to fit your desired outcome. Your argument is incorrect. You are changing the criteria to give you the outcome you want.
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:18:10 EST wMKAoJy1 No.6431632 Reply
>>6431621
Do you just spend your whole day here making shitty bad faith arguments and shifting goalposts and posting non-sequitur dodges of the topic at hand being discussed?
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Matt Sydal - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:19:22 EST wMKAoJy1 No.6431662 Reply
>>6431656
>this grade school playground comeback
have some self respect man. Jesus.
Still running away from the original discussion too I see
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El Santo - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 22:33:55 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6431708 Reply
Really curious to see how AEW does on Saturday next week. They have a strong lead in, however spoilers are out in the wild and they are fucking based and in the past WWE has suffered from taped shows getting spoiled (All the European shows)
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Rain - Fri, 14 Aug 2020 01:41:19 EST msMEiaKI No.6431740 Reply
>>6431452
The biggest NXT programs right now are #1 Contender Karen Kross and Cole vs. footballer-with-podcast. I'm amazed they're even breaking 600K.
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Xavier Woods - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 14:59:26 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6432341 Reply
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Retribution = DEMO GOD
WWE SMACKDOWN RATINGS UP, BEST VIEWERSHIP SINCE JUNE
>Following last week's show-closing angle where RETRIBUTION destroyed the SmackDown set, curiosity seems to have led to a slight uptick in overnight ratings for last night's episode. SmackDown averaged 1.979 million viewers, up 1.2 percent from last week and the best number for the show since June.

>For the second week in a row, the audience rose throughout the two hours as hour one averaged 1.932 million viewers and hour two averaged 2.025 million, an increase of four percent. That's generally the sign of a well-received episode as most wrestling shows in 2020 see audience drops throughout.

>SmackDown topped all network TV in the 18-34 demo with a 0.3 rating, up 50 percent from last week. In 18-49, the show also led all networks with a 0.5 rating. That's the same number SmackDown has done in five of the last six weeks.

>FOX did finish at the bottom in terms of overall viewers, with ABC averaging about 2.6 million viewers on the night as the next lowest competition.
https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/wwe-smackdown-ratings-best-viewership-june-317651
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Sherri Martel - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:15:30 EST 5Wo1wgQ6 No.6432342 Reply
>>6432341
> up by ONE measly fucking percent
> Averaged 1.9 / barely even 2 million viewers
lol don't go stealing buzzwords made for comical affect and make the company even more of a joke now bud.
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Sherri Martel - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 16:19:06 EST 5Wo1wgQ6 No.6432354 Reply
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>>6432351
>using my own screenshot against me
> and in complete parallel to what wooo was actually describing it as on the night it was taken
lol Steph being evil to her employees really doesn't help your agenda

and yeah, in case ya didnt know McDonald's is still shit to majority of adults who have respect for themselves and their families but its ok little babby, I understand lil things big for u.
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 16:34:10 EST cajoPv45 No.6432358 Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Santino Marella - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 16:41:35 EST hN6CoFLy No.6432359 Reply
>>6432354
>Just because WWE is popular, that doesn't mean it's good
>AEW's popularity is proof of how good it is
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Sherri Martel - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 16:57:43 EST 5Wo1wgQ6 No.6432363 Reply
>>6432359
dont make up statements in your head that nobody even said.


Growth of a new company DOES indicate it's success while RECORD LOW DECLINE of a long running company absolutely at no capacity can be seen as "improvement" when a single 1% rise from the RECORD LOWS the week before are to be looked at like it really means something.

Get your head out your ass and face the music. Point still stands.
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Al Snow - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 17:49:33 EST vCkiVt97 No.6432381 Reply
>>6432363
The RECORD LOW shit isn't exclusive to WWE though, that's the crux of it. Television as a whole is dying. WWE is still basically always one of the top non-news programs on Monday and Friday, if not the top overall non-news program. People can pretend to be advertising experts and break it down by demos all they want, but at the end of the day, overall rating is what truly matters in the grand scheme of things. Plus advertisers have zero fucking idea about how real people operate in the internet age and they still do things based on out-of-touch market research. See the leaked Sony emails about giving Spider-Man a #nbd #humblebrag Snapchat to make him .
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Johnny Kidd - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 18:12:52 EST RgpMBobH No.6432387 Reply
>>6432381
>People can pretend to be advertising experts and break it down by demos all they want
People bring up demos because, as has been mentioned on several different occasions, the demos are what TV networks care about. The overall number is fine, but there's a reason the 18-34 number is called the "advertiser coveted" number
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Al Snow - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 18:22:34 EST vCkiVt97 No.6432390 Reply
>>6432387
>"Oh, lots of 18-34 year olds watch during this hour, we better load that one full of ads"
This is the kinda shit that should only matter to network executives and should never matter to fans watching at home, but we've reached a smark zenith where fans are beyond just enjoying wrestling as wrestling. Now people are too into digging into the behind-the-scenes business end of wrestling companies and arguing about that. It's just tiring and there's no way to put the genie back in the bottle.
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Sherri Martel - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 18:58:24 EST 5Wo1wgQ6 No.6432397 Reply
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>>6432381
you act like the Pandemic was the start of WWE's Record Low Ratings like it hasnt been for years.
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Al Snow - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 19:06:58 EST vCkiVt97 No.6432401 Reply
>>6432397
WWE's record lows still place them among the overall highest rated on television, but by all means keep disingenuously console warring.
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Johnny Kidd - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 19:39:12 EST RgpMBobH No.6432417 Reply
>>6432390
If your argument is now "wrestling fans shouldn't care about this," you're free to do so, but don't be surprised people are talking about the importance of demos when you were arguing that the overall numbers matters more, when it doesn't
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Colin Delaney - Sat, 15 Aug 2020 21:04:55 EST Pg7lBld+ No.6432431 Reply
>>6432341
Being Reuben is wading into Impact territory. Kinda funny to think that Smackdown used to be on the CW.
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Ophidan - Sun, 16 Aug 2020 02:01:01 EST msMEiaKI No.6432499 Reply
>>6432381
>>6432401
WWE's ratings began cratering in the early 2000s and resumed in 2015. Neither timeframe has anything to do with "TV is dying". Facts you don't like are not "console warring".

>>6432390
This isn't really "behind-the-scenes" as it's not even data made by the promotion.
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Danny Basham - Sun, 16 Aug 2020 02:36:42 EST JvbZ8j8l No.6432507 Reply
>>6432341
I have tuned in the last few weeks to see the whole retribution thing, just waiting for them to reveal who or what it really is. I just want to see how stupid it is, after that I am back t not watching.
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Jeff Hardy - Mon, 17 Aug 2020 16:37:32 EST wNvVlCwP No.6433268 Reply
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The real SD ratings, up huge
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Tyler Black - Mon, 17 Aug 2020 16:42:50 EST G9cW5MRV No.6433273 Reply
>>6433268

>No idea what Being Ruben is
>Look it up

I have no problem with the kid or his success, but the parents should be ashamed of exploiting their child for what seems to be half his life.
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GENTARO - Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:12:50 EST Pg7lBld+ No.6433848 Reply
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Hours old but still worth laughing at.
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Saba Simba - Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:54:35 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6433853 Reply
>>6433848
>90 Day Fiancé beat Raw
Between this and Grilldude, WWE is getting fucking rekt by reality TV and I love it Maggle.
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Saba Simba - Tue, 18 Aug 2020 23:21:27 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6433864 Reply
>>6433862
Hell if I know. I came here to laugh about 90 Day Fiancé beating Raw.
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Aero Star - Wed, 19 Aug 2020 04:20:06 EST msMEiaKI No.6433914 Reply
>>6433864
Just from its title alone it "tells its stories" for longer than RAW
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Dave Taylor - Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:08:20 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6434475 Reply
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NXT: 853,000
GGG: 924,000

ANOTHER ONE FOR THE GOOD GUYS, DAMN IT FEELS GOOD TO BE #EATING
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Dave Taylor - Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:12:22 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6434481 Reply
>>6434476
this just proves NXT and AEW have 2 different audiances and the AEW fans aren't gonna tune in to NXT
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David Flair - Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:52:07 EST EU78fE6b No.6434500 Reply
>>6434475
Meanwhile on Taima...
>298/194
So much for "AEW not being on will bump the numbers up a lot"

AEW watchers stayed away. They only want to be flipped by The Young Bucks, and not Velveteen Dream.
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Justin Gabriel - Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:54:03 EST mEWmY7El No.6434502 Reply
NXT is the show with the pedophile right?
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Joel Maximo - Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:58:59 EST tJuLTHCW No.6434506 Reply
>>6434502
Since Taz and Justin Roberts were not on television this week, yes.
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David Flair - Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:02:39 EST EU78fE6b No.6434509 Reply
>>6434500
Last week's Taima numbers.

>AEW 729/345
>NXT 263/91

Tells you everything you need to know.
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Hardcore Holly - Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:48:12 EST Ybchf0OF No.6434519 Reply
>>6434518

Oh look, it's the "AEW had 0 viewers because it wasn't on" joke again.
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Jack Korpela - Fri, 21 Aug 2020 04:33:38 EST msMEiaKI No.6434683 Reply
>>6434500
Of course the AEW fanbase doesn't care for Velveteen Dream: they're all in the 18+ demo.
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Chuck Palumbo - Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:32:35 EST dYhrmb6W No.6434726 Reply
>>6434500
Taima numbers literally mean nothing. No one cares how many neckbeards huddled over their laptops to watch the show illegally while spamming the same Bischoff and Nash gifs over and over again.
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Ares - Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:05:15 EST vV2HH6eR No.6434741 Reply
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>>6434726
>Taima numbers literally mean nothing. No one cares how many neckbeards huddled over their laptops to watch the show illegally while spamming the same Bischoff and Nash gifs over and over again.
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7ven - Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:36:01 EST JvbZ8j8l No.6434749 Reply
>>6434726
Without Taima I would not had gone to an AEW show in October.

A fan is a fan.
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Lance Bravado - Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:53:14 EST cfOXxE22 No.6434754 Reply
>In the main event battle, AEW with Chris Jericho vs. Orange Cassidy did 783,000 viewers and 398,000 in the 18-49, while NXT with KUSHIDA vs. Cameron Grimes vs. Velveteen Dream did 621,000 viewers and 205,000 in 18-49. While the main event numbers for Jericho vs. Cassidy don’t look all that high when compared with the rest of the show, the actual minute-by-minute numbers show the Shida vs. Monroe match did not do well and the audience plummeted during a commercial right before the match. The match gained, then lost, during a commercial break but actually skyrocketed after that break and ended up right around 1 million viewers and 500,000 in 18-49 which is the level only AEW’s biggest matches with its top guys hit.

Orange Cassidy confirmed for draw brother
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Worker Ant - Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:19:43 EST uWPOtgY+ No.6434764 Reply
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>>6434726
>while spamming the same Bischoff and Nash
You had me until then. Get worked.
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Mickie Knuckles - Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:55:24 EST dyJPIiPc No.6435178 Reply
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Up around 150k from last week
A decent bump, but i dont see it lasting
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Caprice Coleman - Sat, 22 Aug 2020 15:55:03 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6435250 Reply
>>6435178
>SmackDown got beat by reruns of reboots of '80s action shows
THat's fucking hilarious.
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Husky Harris - Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:22:35 EST NEDOpdva No.6435268 Reply
Where's the dang AEW thread, fartsuckas?
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Leilani Kai - Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:09:23 EST cfOXxE22 No.6436284 Reply
>>6436277
AEW did 146k viewers in the UK last week, considering it's so long after the US viewing that's pretty solid.

I know I just torrent it instead
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Scott Hall - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 06:38:47 EST 7S48qu0S No.6436517 Reply
Aews rating at the weekend was amazing, and according to PWinsider the executives were very happy with the performance too.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the second show go ahead soon
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 08:15:53 EST HWYsl/vq No.6436527 Reply
>>6436517
I thought they already gave it the go ahead? I imagine it'll probably debut this fall or winter after the NBA playoffs are over.
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Akebono - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 08:23:22 EST jVav7tW0 No.6436530 Reply
>>6436527
Yeah but with all the shake up behind the scenes I think it could easily have been called off.

I think saturday showed that AEW fans are really loyal watchers and will go out of their way to see the product even when its delayed and up against sports etc
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Prince Iaukea - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:54:31 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6436548 Reply
>>6436409
Roman is the guy

WWE RAW Post-SummerSlam Episode Draws Best Numbers In Months
>Monday's post-SummerSlam live edition of WWE RAW, featuring fallout from SummerSlam with the RAW debut of The ThunderDome, drew an average of 2.028 million viewers on the USA Network, according to Showbuzz Daily.

>This is up 23% from last week's 1.643 million viewers, which was the fourth lowest viewership in the history of the show.

>For this week's show, the first hour drew 2.140 million viewers (last week's hour 1 - 1.730 million), the second hour drew 2.045 million viewers (last week's hour 2 - 1.697 million) and the final hour drew 1.900 million viewers (last week's hour 3 - 1.502 million).

>This week's numbers are the best overall numbers since the post-WrestleMania 36 RAW, which drew 2.118 million viewers and a 0.70 rating in the 18-49 demographic.

>RAW ranked #21 for the night in viewership on cable, behind FOX News coverage of the heel National Convention, Hannity, Tucker Carlson Tonight, The Ingraham Angle, The Five, The Story, NBA Playoffs on TNT, 90 Day Fiance: Other Way, three CNN airings of the RNC, Special Report, FOX News at Night, Outnumbered Overtime, 11th Hour, MSNBC coverage of the RNC, Outnumbered, Your World, Daily Briefing, and Bill Hemmer Reports.

>WWE ranked #6 for the night on the Cable Top 150, with an average 18-49 demographic rating of 0.67. The NBA Playoffs on TNT topped the night on the Cable Top 150, with a 1.34 rating in the 18-49 demographic, drawing 2.979 million viewers. FNC's RNC coverage topped the night on cable in viewership with 7.063 million viewers, ranking #2 on the Top 150 with a 0.89 rating in the key demo.
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/08/post-summerslam-edition-of-wwe-raw-draws-best-numbers-since-673999/
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Truth Martini - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:13:07 EST FdBl113l No.6436550 Reply
>>6436517
What day would you put it on? I really don't think Saturday would pull in the same kind of viewership long term. It's a very risky night. I honestly think Monday would be less risky and do more damage to WWE too. Do most AEW fans watch WWE? Probably not, but there's probably a decent chunk of people watching WWE on a Monday that could be persuaded to switch to the other channel. Especially the younger crowd.

AEW Saturday.. Would probably average between 400-600k long term. AEW Monday probably wouldn't be that much higher at all, but you get to steal some WWE viewers and more people would take notice of AEW in general knowing it's going against the show most people will think of when you talk wrestling. TNA did it and it was a disaster, but their product sucked at the time. AEW's momentum is hot, while RAW is 90% unwatchable.
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The Undertaker - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:33:22 EST msMEiaKI No.6436554 Reply
>>6436548
For a show that he wasn't on and nobody expected him to be on? Impressive.
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Prince Iaukea - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:51:39 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6436562 Reply
>>6436550
>Do most AEW fans watch WWE? Probably not, but there's probably a decent chunk of people watching WWE on a Monday that could be persuaded to switch to the other channel.
mmmm i don't know about any of this.

1.) the second show is supposed to be a re-tooled Dark
2.) has there been any kind of indication that AEW's audience is anything but mostly lapsed WWE fans? It seems like they have a stable core audience of 750K-ish that follow them from Wednesday to Saturday and might go up or down depending on the strength of NXT counter programming.
Are they building a new audience or just better serving the existing WWE audience that has been tuning out of Raw & SD?
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Magnus - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 11:37:35 EST cfOXxE22 No.6436584 Reply
>>6436559
755,000

Considering it was Saturday, delayed start, against NBA playoffs and I believe against part of a WWE ppv that's pretty great.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:49:38 EST 48pp0a3s No.6436617 Reply
>>6436597
>>6436586

If that was the Munhoz v Edgar card then it's not that big because it's the most nothing card in recent memory. Other than the main fight which is two higher-ranked guys coming off of losses anyway, you had the co-main with OSP get pulled like the day of, which was the only other fighter with a name other than maybe Mike Rodriguez, and that's only really coz his fights are always exciting rather than him being a contender.
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AKIRA - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:08:27 EST XIafmO+E No.6436806 Reply
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>>6431533
"THE FED FANS ARE SO ANGRY REE REEE REE IM NOT MAD SCREEEEEEEEEEEEE"
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Nicky - Thu, 27 Aug 2020 06:51:34 EST cfOXxE22 No.6436880 Reply
>>6436806
The fact that you sent this reply to a 2 week old post kinda suggests you're the mad one friendo
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Mae Young - Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:06:36 EST T5Ycresu No.6436978 Reply
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>NXT: 824,000
>GGG: 841,000

ANOTHER WIN FOR THE GOOD GUYS. DAMN IT FEELS GOOD TO BE #EATING!
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Gorilla Monsoon - Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:15:26 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6436982 Reply
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>>6431494
>>6436978
>Natural disasters absolutely fucking DOMINATING one-third of the top 15

John Tenta continues to draw the viewers brother
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Soldier Ant - Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:32:21 EST SzJMGJxV No.6436987 Reply
>>6436978
Second straight week unopposed, potential post-Takeover intrigue, a new champion... and they still fell from last week.
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Sojournor Bolt - Thu, 27 Aug 2020 17:41:37 EST illo7TfN No.6437023 Reply
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>>6436978

>GGG: 841,000

Didn't know that many people were into that kinda thing
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Jim The Anvil Neidhart - Thu, 27 Aug 2020 18:35:56 EST JOqmbXe0 No.6437040 Reply
>>6436978
WWE should just sell-up to Tony while he still has his checkbook out.
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Amasis - Thu, 27 Aug 2020 20:10:04 EST Ybchf0OF No.6437073 Reply
>>6437066

There were riots and I think night 1 of the RNC Monday and Raw's ratings increased.
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Shaggy 2 Dope - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 10:55:33 EST 13YUp3Lk No.6437305 Reply
>>6436806
>replying to a 2 week old post because it got you this mad
way to tell on yourself
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Makoto - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:38:40 EST AMoSDV0h No.6437441 Reply
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the RNC blew every other TV show away last night
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Max Moon - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:50:32 EST pjnVdwgp No.6437453 Reply
>>6437441
AEW in the fucking mud let's GOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I think I'd rather drown in tidal mud than converse with anyone in those replies
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Stalker Ichikawa - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 17:05:27 EST cfOXxE22 No.6437457 Reply
>>6437455
>Nwp9FWmA
>Bad faith shitposting, directly comparing 2 shows on different nights as a way to complain about AEW again

Yep seems about right
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Prince Nana - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 17:10:58 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6437458 Reply
>>6437457
>directly comparing 2 shows on different nights
does that mean it's bad faith to compare when Dynamite's wednesday demo beats Raw's monday demo?
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Stalker Ichikawa - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 17:15:34 EST cfOXxE22 No.6437459 Reply
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>>6437458
No, you're just perpetually assblasted about anything and everything AEW
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 17:21:18 EST M1ahJWky No.6437460 Reply
>>6437459
At this point I have to believe you are a work trying to make aew fans look mental. Why are you so angry about fake fighting ratings?
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Stalker Ichikawa - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 17:26:26 EST cfOXxE22 No.6437464 Reply
>>6437461
If somebody was arguing from a position of honesty and good faith i'd be happy to discuss and debate. However, you and Pokka have shown time and time and time again that your main interest is nitpicking and shitposting about AEW in every single thread.

When you discuss AEW you don't really care or hold real opinions about what is being discussed, you want to use it as a vehicle to just blindly shit on AEW and AEW fans. It grows increasingly tiresome, and it's obvious in every single discussion even tangentially related to AEW that you will immediately hold the position that is most opposed to AEW
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 17:41:25 EST M1ahJWky No.6437471 Reply
>>6437464
stop being a twat and loosen up.

I'm free to criticise AEW if I want to and I'll give them props when they do good stuff too. regardless of all the shit they are still a better product than WWE.
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Dawn Marie - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 17:46:12 EST FpQEOx+c No.6437474 Reply
Not surprising rating imo; not only was everyone tuning in, of all political backgrounds, to watch the circus of American Politics but AEW just wasn't that exciting, head-turning this week.

Nothing was bad (well the women's match was bad) but there was nothing that'd make anyone take to twitter or text a friend and say you gotta change the channel to TNT. Just lots of talking, a few random brawls, and lots of standard tag matches.
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Ron Garvin - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:08:58 EST ALoyXVnv No.6437488 Reply
>>6437464
>Sh-shut up. It's ok to gloat when aew beats wwe on different nights but not the other way around. Bad faith! Bad faith!
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The Rock - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:19:30 EST Ty+opEnP No.6437494 Reply
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>>6437488
For real, aew hardcores are quickly becoming the most annoying part of this board. It reminds of the time when everyone jumped on the NJPW bandwagon, but at least they back then weren't so touchy and wouldn't snap at the slightest bit of criticism against their sacred cow.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:27:12 EST M1ahJWky No.6437495 Reply
>>6437494
NJPW fans are generally alright though. It reminds me more of NXT fans during the fruit basket era
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Kenta Kobashi - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:59:24 EST jEGuiRVR No.6437505 Reply
This war got old and sad real fast. What with WWE fans trying to cancel AEW guys, their refusal to acknowledge the key demo, the fact the NXT product is objectively bad and lifeless. Even the threads to Bryan's rating tweets are the same dead memes and the same retards desperately trying to get shit like 'All Excuses Wrestling' going. It's all just very sad and boring. A bit like NXT.
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Okada - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:57:00 EST dYhrmb6W No.6437528 Reply
>>6437495
>It reminds me more of NXT fans during the fruit basket era
Because it's probably a lot of the same people. They were guys that got way too into NXT because they thought it was an alternative to WWE. Then NXT got boring. Then an actual alternative to WWE came along and they all jumped ship to AEW.
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Brian Gewirtz - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:12:50 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6437539 Reply
>>6437528
it's pretty evident when they support the exact same predatory hoarding practice of NXT but its okay when its AEW signing everyone from the nwa and mlw and impact and roh and wwe

>They were guys that got way too into NXT because they thought it was an alternative to WWE
this also explains why they harbor a weird animosity against tna for "burning them too many times" and why they completely abandoned NJPW as soon as the Elite moved on from headlining NJPW US shows.
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Triple H - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:57:52 EST dYhrmb6W No.6437563 Reply
>>6437539
>this also explains why they harbor a weird animosity against tna for "burning them too many times"
I'm convince the majority of this board never even watched TNA. It's dead obvious no one's watching Impact now. They all just jumped on the LOLTNA bandwagon and nitpicked every piece of bad luck or bad booking TNA had. I remember specifically someone that said Aces and Eights was an APA knockoff because they had playing cards in their logo. Or the people that were for some reason under the impression Hogan and Flair were wrestling regularly on Impact.
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2 Tuff Tony - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 23:06:23 EST gmcSCndS No.6437609 Reply
>It's Nwp9fWmA and Pokka shit on AEW o'clock

Oh boy
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Trish Stratus - Fri, 28 Aug 2020 23:14:09 EST msMEiaKI No.6437613 Reply
>>6437505
ruthless

>>6437460
Is this why you stopped asslicking iMPACT?

>>6437539
NWA & AEW have pretty clearly been setting up some kinda working relationship. Billy seems cool with it.
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Michael McGillicutty - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 00:05:49 EST 5Wo1wgQ6 No.6437620 Reply
>>6437441
wow actually strong number for them to be on a different night, this looks good to me
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 05:08:50 EST M1ahJWky No.6437661 Reply
>>6437528
>They were guys that got way too into NXT because they thought it was an alternative to WWE.


oh god remember the headcanon where people believed that Triple H was some kind of rebel knight trying to start an insurgency to save wrestling and people pretending that NXT was a different promotion from WWE?

>>6437613
>Is this why you stopped asslicking iMPACT?

why are you so obsessed with me? I mean I'm flattered by the attention, but have you considered that this obsession is a bit...creepy? as for 'asslicking impact' you're projecting your own view of what a wrestling fan is. I enjoy Impact generally, but am critical of some of the creative decisions they have made recently.

Something you can learn here and grow from is that wrestling fans don't have to blindly support a promotion and sperg out whenever they are criticised. you seem like you are wound up very tight. loosen up
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 05:08:55 EST iLikEToleARn No.6437662 Reply
>>6437661
I wouldn't call goldust's life in the wake of the people who really appreciates your kindness and my view has a fuck about your psyche by constantly saying this is a bad sequel to that, you fucking pedophile.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 05:12:30 EST M1ahJWky No.6437663 Reply
>>6437662
>you fucking pedophile.

NJ please joshi wrestling is not for sexual
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Triple H - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 11:05:44 EST dYhrmb6W No.6437720 Reply
>>6437661
>oh god remember the headcanon where people believed that Triple H was some kind of rebel knight trying to start an insurgency to save wrestling and people pretending that NXT was a different promotion from WWE?
I remember people getting livid if you called NXT a developmental promotion or a third WWE brand. Idk why anyone would ever believe NXT was somehow independent from WWE, but it happened.
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Luna Vachon - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 11:24:07 EST r1FzMSXm No.6437722 Reply
Yes guys, all of your tastes in wrestling are very impressive. Get a towel after you're all done jerking each other off.
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Masked Superstar - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 13:00:15 EST 13YUp3Lk No.6437739 Reply
>>6437609
it makes the board so boring to read.
Just the same shit over and over and over and over again.
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Zack Ryder - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 13:43:10 EST cfOXxE22 No.6437751 Reply
>>6437461
>care to elaborate why it's not bad faith?

Because Monday Night Raw is WWE's flagship show that has been running for decades with a built in audience. AEW managed to get more young people watching for a week despite being a completely new brand, that is something worth applauding.

Pretending that is in any way similar to NXT (which runs at a HUGE loss) narrowly beating Dynamite (despite still losing the key demos) whilst Dynamite is shifted to a different night and is up against the final night of the heel conference is retarded to anybody who spends even 2 seconds thinking about it.

The reality is, AEW has done incredibly well with the shifts in schedule, and reportedly the TNT executives are very happy with the performance
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:05:07 EST M1ahJWky No.6437757 Reply
>>6437751
Just because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean it's "bad faith".
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Luna Vachon - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:21:55 EST r1FzMSXm No.6437766 Reply
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>>6437757
>just ignores the logical things he said in order to keep going around in a circle
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Zack Ryder - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 15:14:09 EST cfOXxE22 No.6437786 Reply
>>6437757
And this is exactly why it's pointless debating with you in relation to AEW (or Meltzer). You circle the exact same arguments over and over and over again every single time either of those 2 topics come up, and ignore any points made that refute claims.

2 weeks ago you were saying people who watch AEW are "alt right" and now you expect anybody to take you seriously when you're talking about it? Nah
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Michael McGillicutty - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 15:28:13 EST 5Wo1wgQ6 No.6437793 Reply
>>6437757
> implying bigotry
> implying you aren't bigoted weekly in these threads
regularly showing your intolerance of different ideas than your own such as fans of AEW on this very bord, proofs in the pudding man
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Brian Gewirtz - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 16:13:56 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6437806 Reply
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>>6437793
are you sincerely using the word "bigotry" to describe someone being critical of AEW?
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Michael McGillicutty - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 16:31:48 EST 5Wo1wgQ6 No.6437819 Reply
>>6437806
learn how to read better.


I'm referring to another person who implied it without having the balls to actually use the word he intended to put in perspective in a passive aggressive manner. Fuck off ya dingus.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 16:32:59 EST iLikEToleARn No.6437822 Reply
>>6437821
I cannot even believe in religious bigotry than the okada vs. Mickie or layla ultimate surrender is something I have a black woman's face and he can't carry a company that employs terry taylor was "destroyer-another destroyer-then DDT" for marketing and booking for the world series tbh.
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Brian Gewirtz - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 16:45:49 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6437828 Reply
>>6437822
> I have a black woman's face
Learn something new about netjester every day!
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Erik Watts - Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:24:33 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6437840 Reply
>>6437827
>Mickie James and Our Goddess Layla, Hallowed Be Her Name double-teaming Okada in Ultimate Surrender
Never before have I needed something so badly and not known it until it was put into words.
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A.J. Styles - Sun, 30 Aug 2020 02:16:06 EST msMEiaKI No.6438016 Reply
>>6437661
It's not hard to remember something that was screeched all over the board for years. Don't craft a reputation for yourself and then get mad when you have it.

>wrestling fans don't have to blindly support a promotion and sperg out whenever they are criticised.

lol. And "sperg"? Pretty ableist of you there.

>you seem like you are wound up very tight.

nah

>>6437662
based Netjester shooting on the joshicons
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Ric Flair - Tue, 01 Sep 2020 16:26:24 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6439041 Reply
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WWE BTFO Tucker Carlson in the demo!
>Monday's post-Payback live edition of WWE RAW, featuring fallout from Payback with Randy Orton defeating Keith Lee and Seth Rollins in the Triple Threat #1 Contender's Main Event, drew an average of 1.900 million viewers on the USA Network, according to Showbuzz Daily.

>This is down from last week's 2.028 million viewers for the post-SummerSlam episode.

>For this week's show, the first hour drew 2.104 million viewers (last week's hour 1 - 2.140 million), the second hour drew 1.882 million viewers (last week's hour 2 - 2.045 million) and the final hour drew 1.703 million viewers (last week's hour 3 - 1.900 million).

>This was the sixth-best overall viewership WrestleMania 36. The hour 1 viewership was the second-best since the post-WrestleMania episode.

>RAW ranked #22 for the night in viewership on cable, behind Tucker Carlson Tonight, Hannity, The Ingraham Angle, 90 Day Fiance: Other Way, The Five, Rachel Maddow Show, FOX News at Night, Special Report, Outnumbered Overtime, Outnumbered, The Story, NBA Playoffs on TNT Round 1, NBA Playoffs on TNT Round 2, 90 Day Fiance: Pillow Talk, 90 Day Fiance: Strikes Back, Daily Briefing, All In, America's Newsroom, Last Word, America's Newsroom second airing, FOX & Friends, and Deadline: White House.

>WWE ranked #5 for the night on the Cable Top 150, with an average 18-49 demographic rating of 0.58. The NBA Playoffs on TNT topped the night on the Cable Top 150, with a 1.19 rating in the 18-49 demographic, drawing 2.843 million viewers. Tucker Carlson Tonight on FOX News topped the night on cable in viewership with 4.932 million viewers, ranking #9 on the Top 150 with a 0.45 rating in the key demo.
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/09/wwe-raw-viewership-down-with-payback-fallout-674281/
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UltraMantis Black - Tue, 01 Sep 2020 18:58:11 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6439131 Reply
Y'ALL READY FOR SOME CHANGE?! Per 411mania:

>During today’s Wrestling Observer Radio, Dave Meltzer addressed the how the Nielsen ratings system measuring “out of home viewership.” You can read more on the upcoming changes to the Nielsen system from Outkick.com. To summarize, Nielsen is going to begin integrating TV viewing outside of the home, which will be integrated into Nielsen’s national TV ratings. This is relevant to AEW and WWE, since their ratings and viewership numbers are still calculated using the Nielsen system.

>According to Outkick’s report, a source stated that Nielsen is going to measure the out of home viewing using a “beeper-like device” carried by people in the company’s measurement sample. The beeper will reportedly be able to recognize the audio of what people watch away from their homes, including a hotel, a gym, a bar, or a restaurant.

>According to Meltzer, the new system is expected to significantly help with sports ratings, especially for local sports teams. Outkick also reports that daytime talk shows on ESPN and FS1 will likely seen an uptick in numbers as a result of the new system. If viewers are watching the programs in bars or restaurants, they will need to have the sound on for the device to recognize the programming.

>How the new system and integration of out of home viewing will affect ratings for professional wrestling, which is usually classified as “sports” in programming guides, remains to be seen.
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Brian Adams - Wed, 02 Sep 2020 16:38:06 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6439659 Reply
WWE NXT Super Tuesday Episode Draws Strong Numbers With No Competition From AEW Dynamite
>For the third week in a row, WWE NXT aired with no head-to-head competition from AEW Dynamite last night. This was the first of two NXT Super Tuesday episodes due to the NHL playoffs airing on the USA Network.

>NXT drew 849,000 viewers on the USA Network last night, according to Showbuzz Daily. This is up 3% from last week's 824,000 viewers.

>This is the third-best NXT viewership of 2020, and the eighth-best of all-time.

>NXT drew a 0.26 rating in the 18-49 demographic this week. Last week's show drew a 0.24 in the same demo.

>The 0.26 rating in the key demo is the best of 2020, and the best since the December 18 episode, which drew a 0.27 rating in the 18-49 demographic.

>This week's show ranked #60 in viewership and #10 on the Cable Top 150. Last week's show ranked #24 on the Cable Top 150 and #83 in viewership.

>This is a rare top 10 finish for NXT on the Cable Top 150.
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/09/wwe-nxt-super-tuesday-episode-draws-strong-numbers-with-no-674334/
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Jetta - Wed, 02 Sep 2020 16:48:27 EST Ybchf0OF No.6439662 Reply
>>6439659

Kudos on it being the 3rd best NXT of 2020
Good for the .02 18-49 demo increase
Be very proud that it went from #83 to #10
Be embarrassed that it only managed to increase viewership by 3% without any competition from AEW
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Kaz Hayashi - Wed, 02 Sep 2020 16:49:14 EST gmcSCndS No.6439663 Reply
>>6439659
That's a pretty good number considering they weren't on the regular schedule.
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Buddy Rogers - Wed, 02 Sep 2020 18:05:08 EST IIi7o9Gr No.6439714 Reply
>>6439659
It's almost as if the war they started was entirely pointless from the start.
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Chris Jericho - Wed, 02 Sep 2020 18:52:30 EST K20kw6yS No.6439742 Reply
>>6439720
>abundantly clear
That;s one of his favorite phrases, you're good for at least one a show with Bryan
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C.W. Anderson - Wed, 02 Sep 2020 19:11:50 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6439755 Reply
>>6439742
What are other Bryan phrases? He definitely doesn't say "to make a long story short" anymore.
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Scotty Vortekz - Wed, 02 Sep 2020 19:29:53 EST Pg7lBld+ No.6439775 Reply
>>6439755
How's it going everybody? Bryan Alvarez here on Wresling Observer Live. We are here every day Monday through Friday noon Pacific three Eastern, Sundays three Pacific six Eastern.
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Lena Yada - Wed, 02 Sep 2020 20:08:53 EST EU78fE6b No.6439792 Reply
>>6439720
Yet the pillow fight will carry on. Even though NXT against AEW looks terrible in terms of presentation being stuck inside Full Sail.

Meanwhile the all important (for /wooo/) Taima numbers for the mini pillow fight.
> 107 Impact
> 254 / 457 NXT
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Goldust - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 06:04:42 EST LXslKGCs No.6440077 Reply
>>6440068
We don't know quartes yet. I would love if that non finish broke 1 milion.
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Terry Taylor - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 13:39:00 EST TOrtUyJ+ No.6440135 Reply
>Impact Wrestling took a big hit, drawing 102,000 last night, down from the typical rating lately. The prior eight weeks averaged 155,000 viewers. Last week drew a 171,000 rating, the second biggest number since Slammiversary remade the roster. The low since them was 134,000 four weeks ago.

Fuck the NXT. IMPACT owns the night, go get your own.
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Big John Studd - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 13:41:37 EST w6GZI56H No.6440136 Reply
>>6440135
most pathetic fandom I ever had the displeasure of witnessing my entire life
holy shit
move the fuck on it's dead already
keeping a corpse afloat and talking to it doesn't make it alive
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 13:56:48 EST o+BTpfHb No.6440144 Reply
>>6440135
Well the silver lining in this is Impact managed to stay above 100K viewers but if NXT permanently moves to Tuesdays, then they should definitely move back to Thursdays because their viewership is gonna get hit even harder by NXT.
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Sheamus - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 16:48:25 EST cfOXxE22 No.6440238 Reply
>>6440236
That's a really good number, AEW has been going from strength to strength lately. If NXT does leave Wednesday I think very soon they'll be getting 1 million+ every week
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Big John Studd - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 16:52:38 EST w6GZI56H No.6440241 Reply
>>6440236
> Fuck the NBA the show FINALLY returns to its regular scheduled time
> Gets near a MILLY on the viewer count


based, irrefutably
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Sheamus - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 17:08:14 EST cfOXxE22 No.6440249 Reply
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>put the king of /wooo/ in a main event feud
>Ratings sky rocket

Coincidence?
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Chris Jericho - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 17:08:24 EST Sisj5G0M No.6440250 Reply
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>>6440236
>inb4 WWE sees this and continues to sacrifice NXT just to spite AEW instead of moving it to Tuesdays
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Lena Yada - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 17:09:29 EST EU78fE6b No.6440252 Reply
>>6440236
740/272 on Taima

At least the pillow fight will soon be over...hopefully...

>>6440135
It could have been worse, but >>6440144 is right, I can see Impact running scared and jumping to Thursdays to escape being steamrolled by NXT on a weekly basis.
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Jolly Roger - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 17:12:11 EST B0mVoJs4 No.6440254 Reply
>>6440236
Pretty awesome number considering they were competing with the NBA.The show itself was a bit of a dud though.
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Monty Brown - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 17:12:48 EST 0dcYMHeJ No.6440257 Reply
>>6440135
>IMPACT owns the night
>drawing 102,000
>owning the night

yeah they definitely going to thursdays
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Phantasio - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 17:15:16 EST LjHejvlA No.6440258 Reply
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>>6440236
I was an eater, but I am not ashamed to give our worthy opponent the rub. Good job AEW
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Chris Jericho - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 17:19:46 EST Sisj5G0M No.6440261 Reply
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>>6440258
Is the dream to get AEW wrestlers on his show and have Guy do a run in on Dynamite and drop a flavortown splash on Cody?
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Willie Richardson - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 20:31:41 EST Pg7lBld+ No.6440430 Reply
>>6440236
FWIW the NXT rerun was #125 with a 0.04 rating 18-49 and 183,000 viewers.
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Bubba Ray Dudley - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 21:55:19 EST Vze7K07h No.6440531 Reply
As biased as Alvarez often comes across, he sounded totally fair and reasonable suggesting that the shows and fans would both be better off on different nights, which of course means it won't happen
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Trevor Murdoch - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 22:05:00 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6440536 Reply
>>6440525
NXT only got a million by airing the same episode two nights in a row. AEW got nearly a million with no repeats. Seems like WWE comes out looking bad on this one.
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Texas Tornado - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 22:48:31 EST dyJPIiPc No.6440556 Reply
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worked into a shoot that Impact got screwed so bad by a show as shitty as NXT
move to another night motherfuckers we don't want you
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Bobby The Brain Heenan - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 00:56:28 EST F4Q8qUGZ No.6440581 Reply
>>6440556
>we
Obviously NXT(a company run by the worlds largest wrestling company in the world) is going to do better than Impact. The reason people are upset is because WWE and NXT are boring normie ass shit wrestling for fags with small dicks.
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Texas Tornado - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 01:16:58 EST dyJPIiPc No.6440584 Reply
>>6440581
i don't care how good or bad NXT does, i'm more annoyed that Impact, and in the future NWA, are going to suffer from it
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Fire Ant - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 03:42:05 EST w6GZI56H No.6440607 Reply
>>6440606
because those numbers were a stretch, clearly.
If it was just a rating or number of the show then sure but clearly combining two nights to compare to 1 is a petty thing to do

you willfully ignorant head in the sand mongoloid
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Gran Naniwa - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 03:57:48 EST QSYhnRQX No.6440608 Reply
>>6440525
928,000/1=928,000
1,032,000/2=516,000

Wow that's so embarrassing. Like JUST over 500000? They should really just move nights at this point
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The Dog - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 04:14:52 EST xvzI3OFz No.6440612 Reply
It's that time of the week again where Nwp9 and Pokka bad faith troll and purposely misrepresent things then complain when they get called trolls or told they are arguing from bad faith

LOLTNA
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Bobby The Brain Heenan - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 04:16:39 EST F4Q8qUGZ No.6440613 Reply
>>6440612
Dont bring impact into this. There are lots of good impact fans that are not like that. The group that watches on taima is pretty great :)
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 05:25:23 EST M1ahJWky No.6440617 Reply
>>6440612
>complains about 'bad faith'
>posts LOLTNA

pretty sure this is a flase flag to make aew fans look bad. Again how is reporting the numbers 'hating on aew'?
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Jackie Gayda - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 05:41:51 EST cfOXxE22 No.6440620 Reply
>>6440617
You've already been told, but as usual you ignore any real responses and repeat the same statements/"questions" over and over because you want to carry on trolling
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 06:17:14 EST M1ahJWky No.6440622 Reply
>>6440620
All that has happened in this thread is someone reported the numbers and suddenly was accused of being a troll. I asked why and then i was accused of being a troll.

This is the ratings thread. why is reporting ratings trolling?
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 06:22:44 EST M1ahJWky No.6440623 Reply
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based Onita and Chono wrecking WWE and AEW from the past
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Jackie Gayda - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 06:35:50 EST cfOXxE22 No.6440625 Reply
>>6440622
Because you're inentionally dishonest in nearly every post you make that even references AEW, somebody replied to your reasoning and you completely ignored the post and carried on repeating the same question, now for a third time.

It suggests you aren't actually interested in debate or discussion, but instead just want to shitpost, you might be smart enough to tow the line to stop yourself getting banned, but to anybody with a brain it's incredibly obvious what you're doing when you post.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 06:49:25 EST M1ahJWky No.6440627 Reply
>>6440625
>somebody replied to your reasoning

someone said "you can't combine ratings". That's their opinion. I'm not obliged to agree with them just because they said so. chill out and smoke moar
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Stephanie McMahon-Levesque - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 06:52:09 EST ED42PaCb No.6440630 Reply
>AEW fans shitting up the thread again
>AEW fans telling people what they can and can't post


These people are fucking toxic to this community.
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Jackie Gayda - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 06:55:27 EST cfOXxE22 No.6440631 Reply
>>6440630
Oh look an IP with no previous posts in the thread shows up to shitpost about AEW without adding anything at all
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 06:57:35 EST M1ahJWky No.6440633 Reply
>>6440628
>it's petty to combine two nights

Ok dude I will respond to your post. It would be petty if the person posting the information was crowing about "NXT won AEW sucks" but they didn't, they just showed that NXT got a combined 1 million viewers over two nights, which was more than AEW over one night. There was no pettiness there, no insults, no "we won the war suck it" comments. Just information.
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Trevor Murdoch - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 07:08:35 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6440637 Reply
>>6440633
>It would be petty if the person posting the information was crowing about "NXT won AEW sucks" but they didn't, they just showed that NXT got a combined 1 million viewers over two nights, which was more than AEW over one night.
I think posting the fact that NXT got a combined 1mil viewers over two nights and showing that AEW had fewer viewers over one night is heavily implying "NXT won AEW sucks". Why else would they make the comparison, if not to imply that NXT "won" this week because it had more total viewers?
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Jackie Gayda - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 07:12:14 EST cfOXxE22 No.6440640 Reply
>>6440637
He knows this already, the implication is pretty obvious especially with the "hmmmmm" at the end. Yet these 2 guys still get angry when people suggest they are arguing from bad faith
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 07:14:05 EST M1ahJWky No.6440642 Reply
>>6440637
>showing that AEW had fewer viewers over one night is heavily implying "NXT won AEW sucks"


There is nothing said about quality.

Impact gets really low ratings. I don't care because I like the program anyway.
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Brock Lesnar - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 07:16:44 EST msMEiaKI No.6440644 Reply
>>6440247
Is Dynamite back on pre-COVID levels?

>>6440525
This is WAP levels of self-dunk

>>6440613
It's never been an iMPACT thing. Always been a "blr & Min-Thami are cocksmokers" thing.
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Trevor Murdoch - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 07:18:38 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6440645 Reply
>>6440642
>There is nothing said about quality.
Yeah, yeah, nothing "said". The implication is clear, though. That you're continuing to argue otherwise even after having it pointed out to you proves what everyone says about you arguing in bad faith. Bitch up and participate in a good faith dialogue, my dude.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 07:31:45 EST M1ahJWky No.6440650 Reply
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>>6440645
>Yeah, yeah, nothing "said". The implication is clear, though.

Sounds like YOU HEAR VOICES IN YOUR HEAD and you need a spell in the most devastating crossface in the history of pro wrestling to squeeze em out
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Trevor Murdoch - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 07:41:42 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6440657 Reply
>>6440650
I fail to see what relevance this has to your continual bad faith arguments, but you do you, chief.
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Brock Lesnar - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:02:19 EST msMEiaKI No.6440664 Reply
>>6440663
Nah. Like everything you do it's an idiot's imitation of something better.
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Trevor Murdoch - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:14:48 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6440670 Reply
>>6440667
That you're obsessed with thinking people obsess about you? Tone down the ego, Pokken Tournament EX.
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Arnold Skaaland - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:17:06 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6440671 Reply
>>6440525
So just confirming: this means DVR and replay numbers dont count, right?
The victory is only the original Wednesday night broadcast?
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Gavin Loudspeaker - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:27:20 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6440674 Reply
>>6440671
No one talks about DVR numbers but Meltzer and literally no one gives a shit about replays. Either way who the fuck cares
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Arnold Skaaland - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:34:13 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6440676 Reply
>>6440674
>who the fuck cares
The people who seem genuinely mad and wanting to argue that it "doesn't count"? It would be great If someone could point out the official "rules" for the ratings battle, and which metrics do and do not count
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Gavin Loudspeaker - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:50:17 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6440682 Reply
>>6440676
> If someone could point out the official "rules" for the ratings battle, and which metrics do and do not count
There are none because

A) This "war" is dumb beyond belief and only the hardcore cultists on both sides give an actual fuck outside of "neat A show did better than B in ratings/demo"

B) The "rules" will change depending on who you ask and what their goals are INDEPENDENT of reality (AEW Fans says Demo > Rating, NXT says Views > Demo, Impact says Indian Number > All) {Personally I lean Demo > Views > Number of Dishes but that's what I was taught in my Intro to Broadcasting class}

C) The first run viewers are all that really matter, unless your Meltzer trying to simp for AEW by mentioning the Playstation Vue numbers that one time. If we could get an accurate read of how many viewers there are across platforms (WWE Network/TNT App/All the Shitty Cable Services) then MAYBE those would matter

Your taking this WAAY too fucking seriously my dude. Let the kids scream and shit themselves over ratings. I read them on Wednesday
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Arnold Skaaland - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:52:11 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6440683 Reply
>>6440682
>your taking this WAAY too fucking seriously my dude
Tell that to the People screeching because I added up the original and replay numbers.
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Jackie Gayda - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:52:23 EST cfOXxE22 No.6440684 Reply
>>6440676
There's no official rules, people just have a different opinion to you. Although it feels weird to all of a sudden start bringing replays into it as a way to try show NXT "beat" AEW when nobody adds the replay figures onto Raw and Smackdown which are broadcast every week.

Generally people look at
>The initial broadcast
>The key demo

I'm not sure adding up all the replays of 1 show to try show it has more viewers than another (single run) show is meaningful
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:53:11 EST 48pp0a3s No.6440685 Reply
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>>6440671
I think Meltzer talked about this recently with that new Nielsen update thing. The normal ratings numbers we get are live viewers as well as DVR'd viewers that have watched it by midnight of that night, which is probably pretty small given how late the shows air. Then there is also numbers for those who have watched it 3 days after, and then 7 days after, but I think it's the 3 day number that hardly anyone looks at.

In terms of advertising though, both the 3 day and 7 day numbers aren't really seen as important, because people would just be fast-forwarding the ads. The 50+ viewers would be worth more than those that DVR.

The 7 day number though can be used to see who is engaging with the product. It's been a while since I last heard, but pre-COVID I remember AEW was still getting between 1.2mil and 1.4mil including the DVR audience from a week after. So that kind of stuff could be useful to judge like, who might be a potential customer for a PPV, because you've got nearly double the people still watching the weekly show and possibly invested enough to buy it, but might not be able to watch live because of work/family or whatever. At the time they talked about it, AEW had the highest DVR percentage, of like 30-40% of the live audience watching the show on DVR the week after the live showing, when compared to RAW, Smackdown and NXT, where I think RAW was having a 15% viewer increase including DVR.

TL;DR: DVR numbers can be useful to see who is engaging with the product, but mean less than a 50+ viewer to advertisers.
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Jackie Gayda - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 08:56:57 EST cfOXxE22 No.6440689 Reply
>>6440683
Nobody is "screeching", it's just interesting that despite you having 31 posts in this thread, you haven't at any other point talked about adding the replays onto the viewership of any show, until AEW beat NXT and you wanted to try "prove them wrong".

Almost as if your arguments don't come from a place of good faith, hmmmmmmm
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Gavin Loudspeaker - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 09:01:13 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6440694 Reply
>>6440683
Because it's retarded and makes no sense outside of normal shitflinging this thread has. Your comparing two airings of a show to one which is both heavily skewed into NXT's favor and completely against what people have done forever. To even have this comparison you have to assume that AEW would get close to zero people watching a replay if it happened.

This is like if I got mad my buddy makes more money then me when he works 6 hrs @ $12/hr while I work 3 @ $20/hr
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Arnold Skaaland - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 09:03:17 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6440695 Reply
>>6440689
>, you haven't at any other point talked about adding the replays
Have there been any other weeks where there were replays? To my knowledge this was just a thing wwe was doing for these 2 weeks while being preempted
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Arnold Skaaland - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 09:06:49 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6440696 Reply
>>6440694
So if im reading your points correctly, your argument is "don't take the ratings war seriously" and my comparison is silly because it doesn't take the ratings discusison seriously?
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DashingCN - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 09:37:32 EST dz+Ljbkq No.6440715 Reply
Total / 18-49

NXT

Q1: 831k / 334k (street fight)
Q2: 836k / 331k (end of street fight; Candice/Kacy)
Q3: 855k / 343k (Reed/Thatcher)
Q4: 804k / 313k (main event ring intros)
Q5: 869k / 344k (first 15 of Ironman)
Q6: 864k / 346k (second 15)
Q7: 839k / 332k (third 15)
Q8: 895k / 349k (final 15)

AEW

Q1: 883k / 445k (Best Friends/PnP)
Q2: 832k / 430k (start of 8 Man)
Q3: 860k / 434k (finish of 8 Man; Omega interview)
Q4: 899k / 445k (end of Omega/FTR/Page; Jericho/Janela)
Q5: 1.008M / 508k (Jericho/OC brawl; Hardy/Sammy video; Taz/Jake/Eddie promo)
Q6: 972k / 482k (rest of the brawl; Brodie video; Rosa/Deeb)
Q7: 974k / 501k (finish Rosa/Deeb; Mox promo; Swole/Britt)
Q8: 999k / 505k (Mox/Sterling and MJF beatdown)
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 09:44:07 EST wMyhf4Ie No.6440720 Reply
>>6440715
>Q5: 1.008M / 508k (Jericho/OC brawl; Hardy/Sammy video; Taz/Jake/Eddie promo)

THANK YOU BASED DEMOGOD
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Arnold Skaaland - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 09:45:06 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6440721 Reply
>>6440715
>Q8: 895k / 349k (final 15)
moe proof that Iron Man matches are inherently bad gimmicks because the only thing that matters is the final minute.

>Q5: 1.008M / 508k (Jericho/OC brawl)
who has had more million viewer segments: OC or Jericho?
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Jackie Gayda - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 10:03:35 EST cfOXxE22 No.6440733 Reply
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>>6440715
2 of the last 3 weeks big dimes OC has had more than 1 million viewers for his segment
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Texas Tornado - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 10:08:36 EST dyJPIiPc No.6440736 Reply
Jericho/Cassidy might be the most successful example in a long time of a veteran using his popularity to create a new star with a ton of potential behind it
glad this experiment is working out so well
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Shark Girl (Male) - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 12:54:01 EST Uip4SpjW No.6440806 Reply
>>6440721
Why don't we just make every match a 1 minute iron man match?
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Dr. Death Steve Williams - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 14:18:33 EST Ex91WE4Z No.6440854 Reply
>>6440819
Probably. I could see a feud with the Dark Order working with Orange's more cartoonish personality.
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Jackie Gayda - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 14:23:31 EST cfOXxE22 No.6440857 Reply
>>6440819
Hmm, not sure OC should lose his next feud and I don't think Brodie will be losing any time soon, tough to say. Maybe PAC when he returns, or Eddie Kingston?
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Sangriento - Sat, 05 Sep 2020 11:50:44 EST dyJPIiPc No.6441326 Reply
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whaddaya know, you take the belt off the fiend and people tune out. again. weird how that works
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tHURTeen - Sat, 05 Sep 2020 12:58:57 EST tdlVEX4Z No.6441349 Reply
>>6441326
>2.1 mill during the 9-10 timeslot.
Doing a lot better than sports are doing right now.

The Fiend act was growing stale tbh. When you seen one Firehouse Funhouse, you've seen them all
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Vickie Guerrero - Sat, 05 Sep 2020 13:27:58 EST msMEiaKI No.6441357 Reply
>>6441349
This would be a good argument if the belt wasn't on Reigns who already feels stale barely 2 weeks into his quasi-turn
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tHURTeen - Sat, 05 Sep 2020 14:48:43 EST tdlVEX4Z No.6441416 Reply
>>6441357
>if the belt wasn't on Reigns who already feels stale barely 2 weeks into his quasi-turn

He's been fine thus far and I look forward to see how he handles facing his fam.

Once you stop listening to the opinions of >dirtsheetz and other IWC hiveminds, you become a lot more free.
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Saba Simba - Sat, 05 Sep 2020 14:50:35 EST r1FzMSXm No.6441418 Reply
>>6441416
>Once you stop listening to the opinions of >dirtsheetz and other IWC hiveminds, you become a lot more free.
Ain't that the fucking truth
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Bobo Brazil - Sat, 05 Sep 2020 16:53:22 EST 3z9mtOnj No.6441461 Reply
>>6441416
Hey, once your burn off all your tastebuds, dirt tastes fine too.

I think it's too early to truly assess Roman's heel act, and it's been fine so far, I agree. But the problem they keep doing is dangling various carrots (top face Fiend, Big E's time to shine,) and then they just do what they always do anyway vis a vis breaking up Baynks, injury angling Big E, and deciding now's the best time to put Reigns against a tag competitor who happens to be his kin out of nowhere.

I mean, if the argument is this a "slow burn," I would argue that it never ends up being worth it. Making people think you're incompetent for months only to finally do the exciting and new thing and give them what they want? It just doesn't make sense. From a ratings standpoint, how many <2s is worth one 2.5?
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Nicole Bass - Sun, 06 Sep 2020 02:09:17 EST msMEiaKI No.6441873 Reply
>>6441416
Like most of his career, he's been a poor man's equivalent to someone better.

Please continue acting like indulging the guy WWE has been forcing since the mid-2010s is the rebellious opinion.
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Jesse The Body Ventura - Sun, 06 Sep 2020 05:12:36 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6441899 Reply
>>6441461
>Making people think you're incompetent for months only to finally do the exciting and new thing and give them what they want? It just doesn't make sense.
"IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD, DAMMIT!" - Vince
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Phantasio - Tue, 08 Sep 2020 09:14:07 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6443253 Reply
WWE Friday Night SmackDown Tops Another Sleepy Evening
>It’s a hands-down victory for Fox’s WWE Friday Night SmackDown in Friday ratings. Once again, wrestling mayhem topped a rerun-heavy night, winning the demo wars with an 0.6.

>Highlighting the event was a confrontation between Bayley and Sasha Banks, and the crowning of a new No. 1 contender for the WWE Universal Championship in Jey Uso.
https://deadline.com/2020/09/friday-ratings-wwe-friday-night-smackdown-tops-evening-once-again-1234571468/
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Big Daddy V - Wed, 09 Sep 2020 16:42:25 EST QQesQNiH No.6444035 Reply
>WWE RAW Viewership Down For Labor Day Episode>Monday's live Labor Day edition of WWE RAW, featuring a Street Fight main event with Dominik Mysterio defeating Murphy, drew an average of 1.725 million viewers on the USA Network, according to Showbuzz Daily.

>This is down 9% from last week's 1.896 million viewers for the post-Payback episode.

>For this week's show, the first hour drew 1.762 million viewers (last week's hour 1 - 2.104 million), the second hour drew 1.800 million viewers (last week's hour 2 - 1.882 million) and the final hour drew 1.613 million viewers (last week's hour 3 - 1.703 million).

>RAW ranked #18 for the night in total viewership on cable

>https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/09/wwe-raw-viewership-down-for-labor-day-episode-674598/

A lot of people attributing this to Labor Day but that's really not the case. This year most people didn't even go to a BBQ or anything, which normally happens on the weekend, not Monday if anything.

Maybe it's time to just book a watchable show.
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Tugboat - Wed, 09 Sep 2020 16:44:31 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6444036 Reply
>>6444035
>BBQs normally happens on the weekend, not Monday if anything.
how does one determine this conclusively?
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Kerry Von Erich - Wed, 09 Sep 2020 16:47:03 EST C2vg4oC0 No.6444039 Reply
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>>6444035
> RAW w/ 1.6m in the final hour
> 1.7m average

> REMINDER; 1.4m was AEW's Debut Episode


never fucking forget this company is shitting their damn pants about this.

Only a matter of time now before they really do have themselves an equal competitor
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Jessie McKay - Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:18:58 EST Ybchf0OF No.6444078 Reply
>>6444077

Oh wait, they're counting the Wed. rerun on Syfy. Yeah, when it takes 2 airings to beat AEW's single airing and you think AEW is failing, you're an idiot.
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Shaggy 2 Dope - Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:27:33 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6444083 Reply
>>6444078
>>6444077

There have been a handful of sites that have been making it a big deal. Notably no one has the AEW replay numbers from Friday so they must have been bad (Not surprising since they fucking announced it that afternoon)
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Big Daddy V - Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:51:40 EST QQesQNiH No.6444090 Reply
>>6444083
Ratings for cable repeats aren't noted on most record keeping sites.
NXT's on SyFy was only noted because it technically wasn't a re-run because it aired on a different channel.
So, there's actually no way of knowing what the AEW replay did unless the numbers come from Nielson direct.
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Charlie Haas - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:04:13 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6444475 Reply
>>6444471
>AEW got a 1mil viewership number
>Scott Pilgrim: The Game is coming back

Today was a good day.
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:05:24 EST HOXu6u4l No.6444476 Reply
>>6444471
Part of it is cause it's a post PPV show but holy shit. Next week's rating is going to suck massive dick though as even AEW doesn't know when it's gonna air.
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Shaggy 2 Dope - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:09:46 EST p+s5yxkI No.6444482 Reply
>>6444471
what arbitrary viewership number will detractors say they have to hit now that they've passed 1 million?
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Chris Candido - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:11:37 EST QQesQNiH No.6444484 Reply
>>6444482
2.9 Million Viewers
The same that Nitro had on it's debut
In their mind, if they can't reach that, they aren't real competition
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:16:07 EST HOXu6u4l No.6444489 Reply
>>6444486
Raw is about to go up against MNF (which wont draw as big due to tons of reasons). AEW will probably dip with more day changes coming but at least Miro is drawing interest. Gonna be an interesting few weeks.
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Meiko Satomura - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:18:17 EST cfOXxE22 No.6444491 Reply
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>>6444471
Damn it feels good to be elite bros.

Booking an entertaining product that appeals to fans grows the fanbase who'd have thought it
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Hugo Savinovich - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:18:21 EST ZdKQB/fy No.6444492 Reply
one of the few instances where the show was really good and the rating was also very good.

now expect next week to be 500k or some shit just to balance things out in the universe lol
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Meiko Satomura - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:19:56 EST cfOXxE22 No.6444494 Reply
>>6444492
They can't even tell fans yet what day the show will be on so it'll probably take a hit, on the live viewing at least
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Orlando Jordan - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:23:57 EST qjBqz9hf No.6444499 Reply
>>6444491
You got that right.

AEW is so comfy right now leading into the fall season. It's going to get super comfy when they have more fans again. I hope we can see Blood & Guts at some point
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Lillian Garcia - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:23:58 EST r1FzMSXm No.6444500 Reply
I AM COLD LIKE DECEMBER SNOW
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Peter Maivia - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:32:23 EST Ybchf0OF No.6444508 Reply
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>1.016 million

How does it feel Vince?
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Justice - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:33:06 EST 6IakZFpJ No.6444509 Reply
DE MO GOD! DE MO GOD! DE MO GOD! DE MO GOD! DE MO GOD! DE MO GOD!
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:33:21 EST cajoPv45 No.6444510 Reply
>>6444502
It would've cost MJF $0 to post something that retarded.
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Teddy Long - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:34:34 EST jEGuiRVR No.6444511 Reply
>>6444510
They're building the feud brother. Did you not see the opening to the show this week?
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Lash LeRoux - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:39:39 EST HOXu6u4l No.6444516 Reply
>>6444510
It's a work based on their developing feud. Did you not notice they sent the tweets on the same second?
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:42:39 EST cajoPv45 No.6444520 Reply
>>6444511
No, actually. I was helping my upstairs neighbor get a couch out of her apartment and missed the first half of the show.

>tfw worked by a complete geek
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Justice - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:55:57 EST 8aklxHnA No.6444540 Reply
>>6444521
Guy only had 830K, and was 15th in THE DEMO, to AEW being 7th.

Guy running down the aisles scared in 3....2....1.....GO
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Charlie Haas - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:56:45 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6444541 Reply
>>6444540
Was it a new episode, though? If it was only a rerun, I can understand the low rating.
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Vickie Guerrero - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:10:44 EST jkHcIii8 No.6444558 Reply
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>>6444482
  1. Raw's number in the same week
  2. Then Smackdown's number in the same week
  3. Then Raw numbers in the Attitude Era
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Charlie Haas - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:11:55 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6444560 Reply
>>6444556
Hey, if we're talking asses, the only confirmed draw for AEW in that regard is Sonny "I look better than most of the women in the locker room and they're jelly AF about it" Kiss.
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P.N. News - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:16:37 EST ussOSJi1 No.6444564 Reply
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> NEXT WEEK WILL DROP JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE THEY CANT EVEN GIVE US A DATE!!!!
>>6444494

see >>6444559

REGULARLY SCHEDULED TIME SLOT
WEDNESDAY, 8PM
GET FUUUUUCCCCKKKKEDDDDDDD
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Vince Russo - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:18:36 EST F4Q8qUGZ No.6444567 Reply
Whether you like AEW or not you should be at least a bit happy that they are breaking 1 million. More viewers on a wrestling show is good not bad.
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Chiva IV - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:26:58 EST 7HwgnHZN No.6444575 Reply
>>6444564
>'tismal screeching at any post that could in any way be deemed as 'negative' to AEW even though it's an entirely neutral observation by someone who's probably an AEW fan
>pointless non sequitur reaction image

If you're going to evade your ban, can you at least try to make yourself less obvious, cult faggot?
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Jaki Numazawa - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 19:35:42 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6444724 Reply
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interesting insight from dave re: what it takes to have 2 million viewers
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P.N. News - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 19:41:28 EST FpQEOx+c No.6444729 Reply
>>6444724

I think that's applicable to anything on basic cable, not just pro-wrestling. Boomers are the overwhelming majority of people sitting on their coach in front of Cable Television now. It'll be interesting to watch the next 10 years of what big-media wants to do and how they evaluate success as streaming continues to replace cable and what that will mean for pro wrestling.
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Charlie Haas - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 19:43:54 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6444732 Reply
>>6444729
>Boomers are the overwhelming majority of people sitting on their coach in front of Cable Television now.
No wonder CBS racks up in that demo: Everyone falls asleep halfway through NCIS.
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Justin Gabriel - Thu, 10 Sep 2020 20:22:29 EST tUQvZ8Q6 No.6444783 Reply
Lakers gonna get the gentlemen’s sweep for based AE Dub to air on Wednesday
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Evangelina - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 01:00:03 EST o59PVBtL No.6445001 Reply
So what are the new goal posts for AEW now that they have hit the 1 million+ viewers average for an entire show again?
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Big John Studd - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 03:43:16 EST ObhDvtxk No.6445022 Reply
>>6445016
nah Raw is averaging 1.5m they just gotta pass their record high from the debut of Dynamite at 1.4m
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Alberto Del Rio - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 06:16:43 EST 5U6g5csN No.6445033 Reply
Do we have the segment/segment breakdown of the AEW ratings yet?

Love to see how Matt and Miro did on the ratings. Very curious about the main event too
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Octagón - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 06:58:30 EST cfOXxE22 No.6445041 Reply
>>6444724
He's right, and I really don't want AEW to change to the kind of show that 50+ 2020 WWE watchers would enjoy, AEW is great the way it is.

Getting younger fans invested is far more important, leave WWE to be the Boomer nostalgia show
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Monty Brown - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 07:05:28 EST D4uF/pgo No.6445043 Reply
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GOD DAMN IT PAUL I GAVE YOU A BOTTOMLESS PIT OF MONEY TO CRUSH THEM AND THEY ARE STILL GETTING 1 MILLION. STOP ASKING THEM HOW THEIR TERRITORY IS DOING AND KEEP PUSHING PEDOPHILES
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Octagón - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:46:20 EST cfOXxE22 No.6445059 Reply
Dynamite quarterly breakdown

Hour 1
Q1: 989k - 498k Jungle express/Fenix+Pentagon Jr
Q2: 1.004m - 496k Hardy promo, start of OC/Angelico
Q3: 1.026m - 487k End of OC/Angelico, Best Friends save, Miro debut
Q4: 1.017m - 486k Hangman interview, Jericho+Hager/Sonny+Janela
Hour 2
Q1: 1.026m - 523k End of Jercho tag/promo, MJF segment, Mox promo
Q2: 989k - 469k FTR celebration, Starks promo, Nylar/Tae Conti
Q3: 973k - 427k Nyla/Tae Conti, Omega interview
Q4: 1.066m - 458k Brodie/Dustin

I suck at this so I might not be totally accurate lining stuff up, but it should be roughly right.

Apparently they lost a lot of fans to the basketball game in the second hour, which ended just before 2nd hour Q4 began (9:45), so it lines up with them all tuning back in to see the Brodie/Dustin match
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Alberto Del Rio - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:22:31 EST 5U6g5csN No.6445064 Reply
>>6445059
Hero, thank you!

Interesting that Matt gained views. I guess FTR coincides with the basketball but that main event number is insane.
Is Mr Brodie Lee a draw?
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Kevin Steen - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:44:51 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6445068 Reply
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THE GUY(S)
Sasha Banks And Bayley Segment On WWE SmackDown Garners Biggest Audience In Months
>The Sasha Banks - Bayley split on this past Friday's episode of WWE SmackDown on FOX was apparently a big hit.

>The match featuring Nia Jax & Shayna Baszler defending their WWE Women's Tag Team Championship against Banks & Bayley, and Bayley's subsequent attack on Banks, averaged 2.32 million viewers, according to Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio. According to Meltzer, it was the best audience for a segment on any wrestling show in months.

>SmackDown ended up averaging 2.129 million viewers.

>In storyline, WWE is stating that Banks suffered a severe bone bruise in her knee, as well as a compressed nerve in her neck following the attack.

>WWE announced today that Bayley will appear on SmackDown this Friday night to address her attack on Banks.
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/09/sasha-banks-and-bayley-segment-on-wwe-smackdown-garners-674641/

Have you thanked Bayley & Sasha for drawing the house?
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Nick Patrick - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:49:45 EST QQesQNiH No.6445072 Reply
>>6445068
Doesn't this prove it was a terrible idea to break them up so soon?
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Seina - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:50:44 EST 4p78Abvh No.6445073 Reply
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>>6445059
AEW may not be perfect, but Dark Order is their biggest draw so I couldnt be happier
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Kevin Steen - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:52:06 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6445075 Reply
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>>6445072
no it proves that fans tune in to watch super teams explode.
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Big E Langston - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:03:02 EST W5pm7cVa No.6445080 Reply
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Looking like another 100k or so bought the PPV again.
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Lana Star - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:36:19 EST r1FzMSXm No.6445092 Reply
They're back to where they were before covid, and this is without fans coming back. I'm surprised but also looking forward to them running crowded arenas again to see where they go with all this.
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Carlos Cabrera - Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:08:40 EST F4Q8qUGZ No.6445129 Reply
>>6445073
Been a dark order mark since pre aew. Glad people are coming around. All hail.
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Linda Miles - Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:37:45 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6445461 Reply
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>>6445068
>>6445075
THE GUY(S)
WWE SmackDown Draws Best Overnight Ratings In Months
>Friday's WWE SmackDown drew an average of 2.261 million viewers in the overnight ratings, according to Showbuzz Daily. Hour one drew 2.236 million viewers, then hour two went up to 2.286 million viewers.

>SmackDown also drew an average of 0.6 rating in the 18-49 demographic, which was #1 for the night.

>If the number holds up, it would be up 6.2% in viewership from last Friday's SmackDown episode, which drew an average of 2.129 million viewers with a 0.6 rating in the 18-49 demographic. It would also be the highest rated show since the post-WrestleMania 36 episode of SmackDown back on April 10 (2.317 million viewers).

>SmackDown was #5 for the night among the networks in viewership. It came in behind: 9/11 Remembered, 20/20, MacGyver, and Blue Bloods. 20/20 topped the night with an average of 3.532 million viewers.
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/09/wwe-smackdown-draws-best-overnight-ratings-in-months-674701/
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Seina - Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:50:09 EST Ybchf0OF No.6445464 Reply
>>6445461

I've come to expect SD's ratings to increase regardless of how bad it is.
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Zach Gowen - Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:21:14 EST cfOXxE22 No.6445476 Reply
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>Jericho match peaked at 1.2 million viewers
>590k key demo

Le Demo God
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Ranjin Singh - Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:23:23 EST zl40nmQP No.6445478 Reply
>>6445476
jericho didnt make that match peak. sonny kiss' ass did. tony khan wont realize this until its too late
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Sun, 13 Sep 2020 13:12:33 EST cajoPv45 No.6445484 Reply
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>>6445478
>sonny kiss
>implying anything but a complete detriment to any match he's in
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Kaitlyn - Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:53:27 EST jEGuiRVR No.6445540 Reply
>>6445478
Even Jim Cornette thinks Sonny is interesting to look at or whatever. Sounded to me like he was paying too much attention to that ass.
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Kofi Kingston - Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:06:48 EST 4N77eLBW No.6445543 Reply
>Sasha, Bayley and Kiss on the highest rated segmens
based Ass lovers doing the work
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Dave Taylor - Sun, 13 Sep 2020 22:27:53 EST ZcoAes5B No.6445588 Reply
>>6445551
Yeah he's got a lot of potential, dude is really a natural when it comes to wrestling on TV.
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Little Fiji - Sun, 13 Sep 2020 22:45:28 EST PoGQeevf No.6445593 Reply
>>6445588
he was pretty bad at first on TV/PPV. thankfully he went away for a couple of months and came back looking pretty good. his cody match really showed his progress he kicked ass on that one and has been good ever since
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Jey Uso - Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:41:52 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6445661 Reply
>>6445659
I'll keep sayin' it until it ain't true: Sonny Kiss has a nicer ass than most of the women on the AEW roster.
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Yoshiko Tamura - Tue, 15 Sep 2020 14:29:43 EST Aa4gSc2o No.6445989 Reply
Am I the only one who remembers that Sonny Kiss was on the last season of Lucha Underground?
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Maryse - Tue, 15 Sep 2020 16:17:26 EST illo7TfN No.6446025 Reply
>This week's WWE RAW drew 1.689 million viewers which was down from last week's 1.725 million viewers.

>1.812 (.52 18-49 demo)
>1.734 (.52 18-49 demo)
>1.521 (.45 18-49 demo)
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Jay Lethal - Tue, 15 Sep 2020 16:24:38 EST QQesQNiH No.6446033 Reply
>>6446029
>July 13, 2020 Episode: 1.561 million viewers with a 0.48 rating in the 18-49 demographic

It'll be lower than that soon. Last nights show had way to much trash on it for people to stick around.
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Obariyon - Tue, 15 Sep 2020 16:48:16 EST FqbaPN6x No.6446048 Reply
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>>6446025
> 1.5m LIVE RAW CLOSER.
> 1.4m AEW DEBUT EPISODE numbers.

Reminder, we are going to see it.

Mark your calendars, honestly, and brace for the most massive dr0ning butthurt of all time
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Vito Thomaselli - Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:37:15 EST Ybchf0OF No.6446063 Reply
>>6446048

If the 18-49 demo is high (most likely it will) they'll call it a win.
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Harlem Bravado - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 04:58:14 EST dyJPIiPc No.6446405 Reply
>>6446365
i don't think it matters if its on FOX or not, numbers have been increasing for at least a couple of months regardless from where they were
RAW had a quick bump after Summerslam but now it's gone again
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:19:56 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446491 Reply
>>6446405
it would require acknowledging that both 1.) Roman Reigns' return and 2.) the Sasha-Bayley storyline are having a positive impact on viewers' interest in SD.

Raw's big stories were Raw Underground and Retribution.
SD's big stories are the return of their biggest full time star shedding a lot of his old bullshit AND a well paced breakup of dominant tag team.

"Keep it simple stupid" really is the best creative strategy.
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Big John Gaburik - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:08:20 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446861 Reply
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>>6446859
stopped AEW from getting a million so it did what it needed to do
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Eddie Kingston - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:10:29 EST cfOXxE22 No.6446862 Reply
>>6446857
Not bad for AEW considering they couldn't even tell fans last week what day the show would be on due to playoffs.

Expecting some good numbers going forward with the 6 man next week, and the anniversary show in October
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Johnny Curtis - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:10:34 EST uqPt76rB No.6446863 Reply
>>6446857
A drop in viewers from last week for AEW, but up to third place overall in the demos (behind only Real Housewives and Tucker Carlson, and ahead of Hannity), and #1 (0.46) in males 18-49. If I'm Tony Khan, I'm not unhappy with that.
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Big John Gaburik - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:11:51 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446864 Reply
NXT and AEW each borrow each other’s viewers over the last month, details on how many viewers each show gained unopposed, other key metrics
>While AEW Dynamite and NXT on USA go head-to-head again this week, last week was the fourth week in a row the shows didn’t battle head-to-head with their first-run programs.

>Last week NXT was moved to Tuesday night for the second straight week, bumped from the usual timeslot due to NHL playoffs on USA Network. It drew 838,000 live and same-night-delayed viewers last week (9/8), down from the prior week’s (9/1) viewership of 849,000. The following are the viewership numbers for NXT the last four weeks without Dynamite as competition.

>9/8: 838,000
>9/1 849,000
>8/26: 824,000
>8/19: 853,000
>AVERAGE: 841,000
>The prior four weeks averaged 684,000 viewers. So NXT, without AEW as competition, despite airing on a different night the last two weeks, gained 157,000 viewers on average each week.

>Meanwhile, AEW was unopposed in its usual Wednesday night timeslot the last two weeks, drawing 1,016,000 live and same-night-delayed viewers last week (9/9), an improvement on the 928,000 the prior wee (9/2). The previous two weeks AEW aired on Thursday and Saturday instead, bumped from its usual Wednesday night timeslot due to scheduled NBA playoff games.

>The last two weeks averaged 972,000 viewers. The prior two weeks moved from its usual timeslot but airing unopposed averaged 784,000. The previous four weeks averaged 831,000. So the last two Wednesdays, unopposed by NXT, AEW drew on average 161,000 more viewers than it averaged during the prior four week “normal” period when up against NXT.

>So bottom line, it appears that each show gained right around 160,000 viewers who typically would have watched the other show instead live or on a same-night-delay. This week, the shows get back to normal and it’s possible that one of the shows will end up retaining some new viewers if some of those 160,000 who sampled the other show end up sticking with that show instead.
https://www.pwtorch.com/site/2020/09/14/nxt-and-aew-each-borrow-each-others-viewers-over-the-last-month-details-on-how-many-viewers-each-show-gained-unopposed-other-key-metrics/
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Xavier - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:13:02 EST QQesQNiH No.6446866 Reply
>>6446857
Proof that NXT moving to Tuesdays is their best option.
The more stubborn they are to do it, the more people will continue to lose interest in their product.
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Razor Ramon HG - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:13:06 EST Ybchf0OF No.6446867 Reply
>>6446857

AEW: -130,000
NXT: -149,000

Despite keeping AEW from getting 1 million viewers they lost more than AEW this week.
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Michael Cole - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:16:15 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6446869 Reply
And I actually thought the NXT show this week was pretty good but it doesn't have the starpower AEW has, simple as that.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:48:38 EST M1ahJWky No.6446873 Reply
>>6446866
>Proof that NXT moving to Tuesdays is their best option.

Why? They are on Wednesday not to win, but to take a chunk of AEW's viewership.
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Ian Rotten - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:50:55 EST RVuAPKZ9 No.6446874 Reply
>>6446857
643/375 AEW
220/68 NXT

It's the same old, same old, with the all important Taima numbers. NXT just can't break the ceiling.
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Rhino - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:00:55 EST r1FzMSXm No.6446879 Reply
>>6446873
But they're barely taking a chunk as it is, and that chunk that they do take isn't making AEW any less successful. They're only hurting themselves
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Electroshock - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:14:44 EST p+s5yxkI No.6446882 Reply
>>6446879
If they are still taking even a single viewer away then in Vince's mind it's a success
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2 Tuff Tony - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:39:48 EST 62CJSmr7 No.6446902 Reply
People keep talking about NXT moving nights but I don't think it would change a thing. The people who choose NXT over AEW at the moment are not even a little bit interested in AEW, they are WWE loyalists who will always choose WWE. I reckon about 10% of the people who watch NXT would watch AEW if it aired on another night. Maybe a little bit higher but either way from a WWE perspective it makes more sense to go head to head than risk that small percentage of fans tuning in to AEW the next night and maybe pushing them to a million or so viewers.
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Rhino - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:44:50 EST r1FzMSXm No.6446906 Reply
>>6446894
>exactly. It makes sense for them to stay on Wednesday.
No it doesn't, it's just pettiness.
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Rhino - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:59:31 EST r1FzMSXm No.6446930 Reply
>>6446913
That's nice. WWE still aren't impeding AEW's success by opposing them on Wednesdays while hurting their own audience so it still doesn't make sense.
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Generalissimo Takada - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:10:43 EST n9eKBgQH No.6446948 Reply
>>6446930
A lot of things WWE does don't make sense. Vince covered up a child molestation ring his employees were running, twice. That doesn't make sense either, but he did it.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:25:54 EST M1ahJWky No.6446978 Reply
>>6446930
>WWE still aren't impeding AEW's success by opposing them on Wednesdays while hurting their own audience

Do you think that if NXT weren't on the same night as AEW, then AEW would get higher ratings overall?
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Cassandro - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:45:45 EST xdDs7Dcz No.6446990 Reply
>>6446930
This has less to do with AEW's actual success and more to do with their perceived success, if you catch my drift. Look at the charts the past few weeks and you've essentially got 200k boomers that prioritize NXT but will watch AEW if NXT isn't on. Vince is worried about how AEW's viewership looks not to wrestling fans but to investors and networks who don't know a damn thing about either company. When these business types get the raw data in front of them they'll see the one million and be convinced Vince is losing ground...or they won't, but he thinks they will. For years he's been working investors into thinking wrestling (WWE) is back on the rise with another boom period just round the corner, so he'd rather leave NXT sitting on USA doing diabolical ratings for a while longer if it lets him get through another quarter or two where he can say the sub-million AEW isn't a threat. That said, his carny act is slipping, he got taken to task a bit on the last call IIRC.
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Rhino - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:49:08 EST r1FzMSXm No.6446993 Reply
>>6446978
They'd be just as successful as they are now because they're already exceeding expectations
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Big John Gaburik - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:56:32 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6447093 Reply
>>6446993
but without NXT competing against them, they'd be even more successful
AEW unopposed: 1 million viewers
AEW against NXT: less than 1 million
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Repo Man - Fri, 18 Sep 2020 01:33:16 EST cfOXxE22 No.6447295 Reply
>Thank you everyone who watched #AEWDynamite last night! We got great feedback from our fans & amazing numbers, finishing #1 for the night among all cable shows in total 18-34 year old viewers + #1 Males 18-49 + #1 Males 12-34, all due to our great fans + great wrestlers & staff!
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Bo Rotundo - Mon, 21 Sep 2020 11:03:31 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6448022 Reply
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Friday Ratings: Fox’s WWE Friday Night SmackDown Continues Its Streak Of Victories
>It’s another Friday night Nick Gageh for Fox’s WWE Friday Night SmackDown. The program topped the demo wars with an 0.5, again leading the pack, as it has for several weeks. It also gave Fox the network crown on the evening with an 0.5

>Universal Champion Roman Reigns and cousin Jey Uso ran into trouble against King Corbin and Sheamus, who beat them badly in a Samoan Street Fight as its highlight. What this means for the ongoing reign of Roman Reigns remains to be seen.
https://deadline.com/2020/09/friday-ratings-wwe-friday-night-smackdown-wins-again-2-1234580127/
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Sugar Dunkerton - Mon, 21 Sep 2020 13:12:36 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6448049 Reply
>>6448022
>Universal Champion Roman Reigns and cousin Jey Uso ran into trouble against King Corbin and Sheamus, who beat them badly in a Samoan Street Fight as its highlight.
Didn't the Samoans win the Street Fight? This makes it sound like they lost. Christ, Deadline, get your shit together.
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Togi Makabe - Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:09:44 EST QQesQNiH No.6448348 Reply
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Down again.
Will probably hit the all time low within the next month.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:16:48 EST wMyhf4Ie No.6448352 Reply
>>6448348
Damn it must have gotten killed by the Monday Night Football 50th anniversary game and the Las Vegas Raiders' home debut not to mention Stars-Lightning game 2.
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Mototsugu Shimizu - Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:19:54 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6448356 Reply
>>6448348
NXT and AEW combined are doing better numbers than Raw right now lmao
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Paul Bearer - Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:54:41 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6448885 Reply
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AEW didn't do too bad for their Tuesday Night show seeing as how it was late as fuck and very much a throwaway
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A.J. Lee - Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:26:36 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6449289 Reply
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Even Dave is saying it's unlikely WWE will take a huge decrease in rights fees, when it comes time for renegotiation
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123 Kid - Thu, 24 Sep 2020 15:36:58 EST J10K+5dU No.6449330 Reply
>>6449289
but there is competition potentially doing ratings that are comparable and doing better in certain demos getting way less. AEW is gonna be a thorn in their ass when WWE is negotiating.
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KAGETORA - Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:18:40 EST ZpZX20FS No.6449349 Reply
>>6449344
Be unbiased.

>NXT only getting 100k more than AEWs throw away midnight show while losing the demo
>AEW fans are fairweather and tune out whenever something else is on, AEW isn't must see TV
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Prince Devitt - Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:27:06 EST F4Q8qUGZ No.6449351 Reply
>>6449350
The needle just doesn't move much eh? If they had touring live shows and we were not in covid times I feel like this would be a different battle but yeah NXT is just going to keep drawing the same people.
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Billy Gunn - Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:46:39 EST Ybchf0OF No.6449358 Reply
>>6446857

AEW: -51,000
NXT: -7,000

Despite losing more viewers than NXT, AEW still beat it in overall viewership and demos.
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KAGETORA - Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:47:06 EST ZpZX20FS No.6449359 Reply
>>6449350
>The madman actually retweeted T-Bar's response
Glad to see Bryan either has a sense of humor about all this or feels genuinely bad for them
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Stevie Richards - Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:54:01 EST J7fQL1eo No.6449365 Reply
>>6446882

>This

Vince doesn't care how NXT does. His mindset is as long as AEW don't get 1Mill average a week, So NXT aint gonna be moving unfortunately. Vinces stubbornness will always be there till the day he is F in the chat
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Mark Haskins - Thu, 24 Sep 2020 19:44:37 EST RVuAPKZ9 No.6449484 Reply
>>6449350
Meanwhile on Taima...

>274 / 788 AEW
>212 / 65 NXT

NXT still can't get more viewers, no matter what...
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Nidia - Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:32:03 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6450930 Reply
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ROODE = DRAW
WWE Raw Ratings Increase for Drew McIntyre vs. Robert Roode Championship Match
>Monday night's episode of WWE Raw saw its ratings rise compared to last week amid tough competition from Monday Night Football and the deciding game of the Stanley Cup Final.

>According to Showbuzz Daily, Raw averaged 1.822 million viewers during its three-hour broadcast, which was up from last week's 1.678 million.

>In the main event of Raw, Drew McIntyre defended the WWE Championship after retaining against Randy Orton at Clash of Champions one night earlier. McIntyre said he would put it on the line against anyone who hadn't had a shot yet.

>Dolph Ziggler said he had the perfect opponent for McIntyre and unveiled him to be Robert Roode, who hadn't been seen on WWE programming since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.

>Roode looked good in his return and pushed McIntyre to the limit, but the champ was able to hit Roode with a Claymore Kick and retain the title.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2911136-wwe-raw-ratings-increase-for-drew-mcintyre-vs-robert-roode-championship-match
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:47:25 EST M1ahJWky No.6450935 Reply
>>6450930
I don't normally watch WWE, but given that I have a penchant for 2014-2016 TNA era, was this match actually worth watching?
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Tue, 29 Sep 2020 17:14:29 EST 48pp0a3s No.6450948 Reply
>>6450930
If Bobby Roode came back to RAW, does that mean he's not the former NXT champion that's coming back on Wednesday? The only other two I can see that aren't actively involved in anything or Samoa Joe, so we can have Balor and Joe for the thousandth time, or Bo Dallas.
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Sylvain Grenier - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 02:58:38 EST SdPbl+Wq No.6451049 Reply
>>6450948
>Bo Dallas finally returning to Full Sail

I'LL DO ANYTHING IT TAKES TO MAKE IT
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 05:27:59 EST 48pp0a3s No.6451058 Reply
>>6451049
Well going through the list of last champs it's likely. We have

>Seth
Working a Rey storyline
>Big E
I think he was doing a singles rub on Smackdown
>Bo
Not doing anything
>Pac
In AEW
>Sami Zayn
Just won the IC title
>Owens
Doing something with Black it looks like
>Balor
>Joe
>Nakamura
>Roode
>McIntyre
>Andrade
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 05:30:59 EST 48pp0a3s No.6451059 Reply
>>6451058
Fuck, posted too soon. Basically Balor is in NXT already, Joe isn't being used so it might be him. Nakamura is a tag champ, Roode literally just showed up on Raw so likely not him, McIntyre is universal champ, Andrades got a Raw storyline and so does Black with Owens. Everyone after that is still in NXT excerpt Keith Lee.

So basically Bo or Joe are the only ones not in a current storyline.
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Bret Hart - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:35:30 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6451063 Reply
>>6451059
Bo is doing absolutely nothing and can't really be slotted into any current storyline on Raw or SD. Joe can always be brought back to wreck anyone's shit on either main roster show. If I had to pick, I'd go with Bo, because at least it'd give him (and Bálor) something to do.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:13:30 EST M1ahJWky No.6451100 Reply
lol why is Balor in NXT again..did he forget how to look at the hardcam?
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Jimmy Wang Yang - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:37:11 EST Ynl+K5T5 No.6451118 Reply
>>6451100
I think it was probably more a case of him thinking about leaving at the end of his contract and they've offered him the chance to make the same money away from the main roster shit and he's jumped at it. Or maybe Vince didn't see anything in him. Hard to say really.
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Vince McMahon - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:52:16 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6451123 Reply
>>6451100
because they needed a main roster "draw" to compete with AEW and so far, it's failed
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Tony Garea - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:39:19 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6451179 Reply
>>6451118
>probably more a case of him thinking about leaving at the end of his contract
there was no indication that Balor wanted to leave. WWE is allowing him to make main roster money while staying in Florida and not needing to be on the road every week. (That's all changed because of covid but i digress)

He also got married in the last year so the switch to NXT/Full Sail has made his personal life better/allowed him to spend more time at home and get pushed as a "draw"
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Bobby Lashley - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 16:04:57 EST dYhrmb6W No.6451201 Reply
>>6451100
They wanted a main roster star to entice people to watch NXT, and to make NXT look more like a legitimate third brand and not developmental.

I think all they really accomplished was make people forget Finn Balor exists.
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Jimmy Wang Yang - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 16:26:05 EST Ynl+K5T5 No.6451221 Reply
>>6451179
But why would they allow him to do this? Either Vince doesn't rate him or this was something they offered him to intice him to stay. You don't just let someone that popular go work your third brand because they got married or because the brand 'needs a name'
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Tony Garea - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 16:32:05 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6451224 Reply
>>6451221
>why would they allow him to do this?
>because the brand 'needs a name'
you answered your own question. they didn't "allow" Balor to move to NXT; they chose to move him. He got to keep his main roster pay and work half as many dates. That's a win-win for him.
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Bobby Lashley - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 16:55:00 EST dYhrmb6W No.6451235 Reply
>>6451221
>You don't just let someone that popular go work your third brand because they got married or because the brand 'needs a name'
You know the wrestlers don't get to pick what brand they're on, right?
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Dasher Hatfield - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 18:44:23 EST P6kR4nuw No.6451263 Reply
>>6451235
except Styles actively got himself off Raw and onto Smackdown by request and choice of his own volition
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Tony Garea - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 19:08:25 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6451272 Reply
>>6451263
the rules are always different for the main eventers that have sway with Vince
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April Hunter - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 19:53:50 EST xdDs7Dcz No.6451292 Reply
>>6451263
>choice
>implying it wasn't a big brain play from Vince getting him to hate Heyman for getting his buddies fired so that he requests to move shows only for Vince to demote Heyman and have him follow AJ to Smackdown to fuck with him some more
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Mephisto - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 02:34:29 EST SdPbl+Wq No.6451389 Reply
>>6451179
Balor had been passive-aggressively complaining about his status in the company for a while now.
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Bill DeMott - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 16:04:26 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6451490 Reply
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>AEW: 866,000
>NXT: 732,000

Both shows up from last week
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Brendan Michael Thomas - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 16:30:17 EST d+fU5YnX No.6451500 Reply
>>6451490
>NXT almost didn't chart
>WWE fans: 'Vince is a genius sticking it to AEW airing on a Wednesday hahaha what a great business decision by Vince'
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Bill DeMott - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 16:33:01 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6451501 Reply
>>6451500
Vince cares about preventing AEW from growing so he'll sacrifice NXT if it means AEW won't get 1 million plus every week.
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Ruckus - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 16:34:22 EST r1FzMSXm No.6451502 Reply
>>6451500
>b-but every viewer NXT takes from AEW is a w-win in Vince's mind
as AEW continues to far surpass TNT's expectations
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She Nay Nay - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 16:39:03 EST QQesQNiH No.6451505 Reply
>>6451500
>>6451501
Which is still the dumbest decision ever considering NXT in their minds is meant to promote the next big stars for them. Why would you willingly ruin your own show and make people stop caring about it and the wrestlers on it? Long term, is this is going to be a disaster for WWE. Hope they wake up and realize it and move to Tuesdays before it's too late. Otherwise NXT will be the new 205 Live/Main Event level show people don't even bother to read the results of.

Your call, Paul.
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Traci Brooks - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 17:22:35 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6451525 Reply
>>6451524
NXT moved to TV and WWE started stunt-booking it to compete with AEW.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 17:34:26 EST M1ahJWky No.6451528 Reply
>>6451501
I don't get why people don't understand this. NXT is doing exactly what it is intended to do.

The people in this thread who are calling the loudest for NXT to switch nights are AEW fans, who are suddenly concerned for WWE for some reason. See also Dave Meltzer trying to tell Triple H to stick on tuesdays lol.
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Neko Nitta - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 17:35:34 EST IIi7o9Gr No.6451529 Reply
>>6451490
Kinda interesting that most shows from 21 to 50 have bigger total audience than AEW. Goes to show the importance of demos.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 17:43:33 EST 48pp0a3s No.6451533 Reply
>>6451490
Big Dimes Matt and Trey shitting all over the political talk shows before the election and sports. I wonder if South Park airing every Wednesday night is gonna keep their ratings low since it seems to demolish the prime demos.
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Lillian Garcia - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 17:56:51 EST Ynl+K5T5 No.6451538 Reply
>>6451528
Not really fam. It's just that it only seems to be non WWE fans that realise how stupid that mind set is. Sabotaging your own show and potentially the overness and appeal of guys you intend to feature on your flagship shows at some point is just stupid and bad business.

I'm sure there's AEW fans who are mad NXT is potentially stopping them pulling in a million viewers but most people are looking at this with a level head and struggling to understand any real logic in sabotaging your own show.
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Sylvain Grenier - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 18:16:34 EST xdDs7Dcz No.6451543 Reply
>>6451538
As >>6451505 said the logic is completely batshit in the long-term, while in the short-term it accomplishes its goal of taking viewers away from AEW the fact of the matter is NXT is the "building new stars" show run by the guy poised to take over the company some day. WWE's gaping hole of starpower is already a topic repeatedly brought up by stockholders and you could give these non-fans no finer example than this show's failure to illustrate that WWE doesn't have a long-term future. How much of a 'gain' this short-term gain of airing on Wednesdays actually is is also up to interpretation, it certainly hasn't stopped AEW getting renewed or promoted, all that's clear is that it's a gain in Vince's mind, and since WWE is his toybox that's all that matters.
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Traci Brooks - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 18:23:52 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6451544 Reply
>>6451528
>I don't get why people don't understand this.
We do understand it. And we think it's fucking stupid.

>The people in this thread who are calling the loudest for NXT to switch nights are AEW fans, who are suddenly concerned for WWE for some reason.
Maybe it's because some AEW fans are also fans of certain stars in NXT and want to see those people do well without having to worry about being pawns in a ratings war that WWE is only fighting because it wants to control the entire fucking pro wrestling industry in the United States.

Or maybe they're doing it to spite your ass. Whichever works.
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Stone Cold Steve Austin - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 18:41:38 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6451548 Reply
>>6451544
>without having to worry about being pawns in a ratings war
not even that
Some guys are legitimately held back by having to work the WWE style.
Compare the buzz Kushida had prior to joining NXT to what he got since then.

I'd say he might as well sign with ROH, but they got great matches with him, way better than any of his work in NXT.
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Vladimir Kozlov - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 18:56:41 EST tbq1FrBz No.6451553 Reply
Why do you guys hate WWE but also want NXT to move to Tuesdays so it can improve?
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Lana Star - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 19:09:50 EST wccZWqYa No.6451581 Reply
>>6451553
Speaking for myself, at least, it's not that I hate WWE in the sense that I want it to die, so much as I hate what WWE has turned into, and I want it to get better. If the last two decades have taught us anything, it's that the wrestling ecosystem needs competition in order to be healthy. But real competition (as opposed to the artificial console war bullshit we have right now) is only going to come from everybody working to improve their own products and grow their audiences. As long as Vince is dead set on sacrificing NXT to keep AEW from growing, that's not going to happen.

An improved NXT would raise the bar for AEW, even if they're not on the same night, and that is good for everyone. But Vince's ego won't allow it.
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Shelley Martinez - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 19:15:39 EST P6kR4nuw No.6451610 Reply
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>>6451553
hey, not like we all never enjoyed NxT before.

I enjoyed Raw before.
I enjoyed Smackdown before.


They all just suck now, plain and simple. Too long now. Doesn't mean we never wanted good things to happen there but eventually that line begins to blur. If it moved to Tuesdays it would be good because they have Smackdown back on Fridays now, so just thinking about wrestling being on 4-5 days a week is better for everyone.
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Recon - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 00:42:21 EST SdPbl+Wq No.6451778 Reply
>>6451501
And it's barely even working as Dynamite has been steadily growing month-after-month.

>>6451528
Nobody is disputing this and stating this is not insightful, clever or unique.


>>6451553
'Cause NXT made its bones as the show that was showing up mainline WWE despite having a fraction of the resources or gravitas plus I miss the era of Sami's Road To Redemption
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Britani Knight - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 07:09:26 EST r1FzMSXm No.6451811 Reply
>>6451528
Everyone understands what they're trying to do, you don't understand that part. It's just that it isn't working very well since AEW are surpassing expectations regardless and therefore everyone thinks it's fucking dumb.
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Kid Kash - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:19:20 EST aFz7jf0u No.6451826 Reply
>>6451811
The only time aew has hit a million viewers this year is when NXT was on Tuesdays.
They might not be "killing" aew but they are still an active nuisance that has a measurable effect. As long as that is still the case, they ain't moving
It's a war of attrition in Vince's eyes and he's got a much bigger stockpile
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Eddie Edwards - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:32:10 EST VrUujQy9 No.6451829 Reply
>>6451827
>mess with Impact's viewership
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Chii Tomiya - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:37:56 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6451831 Reply
>>6451827
>mess with Impact's viewership
lolwut

As an AEW fan: I want NXT to move because WWE's "we must destroy Dynamite by any means necessary" stunt booking of NXT has made the show actively worse. The people working in NXT don't deserve being made to deal with console warz bullshit from their own fucking employer.
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Jessica Love - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:39:31 EST cfOXxE22 No.6451832 Reply
>>6451827
>abloo bloo mean AEW fans

Go back to TNA Mecca, Impact is finished, and their remaining 500 fans won't be swayed to watching anything else at this point
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Allison Wonderland - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:45:49 EST hG0slQuX No.6451833 Reply
>its ok when WWE competes with the company i dont like
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Chii Tomiya - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:51:49 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6451834 Reply
>>6451833
It's not that people think WWE competing with Impact is "ok" - it's that people think Impact is so far beneath even WWE's notice that NXT moving to Tuesdays would likely have no effect on what counts as Impact's viewership these days.
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Cody Deaner - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:55:11 EST tjzItcJU No.6451837 Reply
>>6451834
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/09/week-in-tv-ratings-wwe-vs-impact-674594/
>NXT wasn't completely unopposed, as it faced some minor competition from Impact Wrestling on AXS TV. Impact only averaged 102,000 viewers, down from 40% from the 171,000 viewers the show garnered the prior week, according to PWTorch. It was noted that Impact had averaged 155,000 viewers the prior eight weeks, with the previous low being 134,000 four weeks prior.
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Britani Knight - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:56:34 EST r1FzMSXm No.6451840 Reply
>>6451826
TNT set the bar for Dynamite at a lot less viewers than what they get. Doesn't matter if it's the 850k they get on average now or the million they'd probably get without NXT, AEW would be just as successful. Hence how quick TNT were to give them a new multi year deal. NXT didn't do anything except sprout some console wars bullshit amongst retards.
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Britani Knight - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:18:46 EST r1FzMSXm No.6451848 Reply
>>6451843
Not what i said. I said sprouted some console wars, not started the whole thing.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:31:35 EST M1ahJWky No.6451851 Reply
>>6451826
>The only time aew has hit a million viewers this year is when NXT was on Tuesdays.

this is exactly why AEW fans want NXT to remain on tuesdays. Yes AEW are 'surpassing expectations", but they would also like a free ride at that psychological goal of consistent 1 million each week.
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Britani Knight - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:40:10 EST r1FzMSXm No.6451852 Reply
>>6451851
>but they would also like a free ride at that psychological goal of consistent 1 million each week.
now you're just pulling anything out of your ass to keep going in circles
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Violent J - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:43:22 EST vLZl5YGe No.6451853 Reply
>>6451832
>It's so refreshing to have a wrestling promoter you can take at face value
>No s-s-stop ruining my Tony Khan press conference thread. It's not fucking fair!
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:49:44 EST M1ahJWky No.6451854 Reply
>>6451852
>now you're just pulling anything out of your ass to keep going in circles


as opposed to "we want NXT to move because we want it to get better even though we hate wwe and everything it stands for"?

I don't care if WWe sinks or swims, in fact I've been wishing for that shithole company to die for a long time now. I'm just saying purely from a business perspective, there is a reason they put NXT on wednesdays. Instead of fighting over the scraps of existing hardcore pillow war fans, AEW should strategise on how to reach NEW FANS.
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Britani Knight - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:53:33 EST r1FzMSXm No.6451858 Reply
>>6451854
You keep saying the same thing over and over without grasping that everyone already knows this. The whole thing is that the only thing it is doing is harming NXT's booking and viewership since AEW's success ain't being affected which is why people say NXT would get better if it focused on itself.
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MVP - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:54:36 EST cqmM/du8 No.6451859 Reply
>>6451853
Shitposting from all sides should be a ban able offense and the fact the boards are in the console war horseshit state they are in is a disgrace.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:56:04 EST M1ahJWky No.6451861 Reply
>>6451858
>The whole thing is that the only thing it is doing is harming NXT's booking and viewership

good. let it.
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MVP - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:01:27 EST cqmM/du8 No.6451863 Reply
>>6451861
>I want more bad wrestling to exist because I don't like WWE or AEW

This is by far the dumbest take I've ever seen. Wanting a show to remain shit just so that two companies you hate keep hurting each other is fucking dumb. I have no words for home dumb this take is so congrats
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:06:51 EST M1ahJWky No.6451867 Reply
>>6451866
Why is it terrible to state the obvious, that NXT being on the same night as AEW is a thorn in AEW's side?
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Britani Knight - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:12:18 EST r1FzMSXm No.6451868 Reply
>>6451867
>just falls right back in to his little hole to say the same dumb shit again while failing to understand the point
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:17:54 EST M1ahJWky No.6451873 Reply
>>6451868
cool, I don't give a fuck about WWE getting better. They are without a doubt the most evil company in wresling and their product is garbage even NXT. They treat their employees like cattle and their fans like idiots and are responsible for the western world thinking that wrestling is a joke.
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Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:18:21 EST 0CuYXf/X No.6451874 Reply
>>6451867
because you framed it that unless NXT airs as opposition, it's a "free ride", as if doing in excess of million viewers is easy, or that those fans are not "earned" unless they gained while being counter-programmed. Do normal TV shows get a "free ride" unless they're counter-programmed? Was Game of Thrones really as popular as the rating suggested or were they coasting off the fact that another major network didn't also air a major fantasy show at 9pm on a Sunday?

You can say that WWE, from a business viewpoint, has to prevent AEW gaining marketshare by counterprogramming and that's whatever, but calling AEW doing big numbers with no counter programming a "free ride" is just weird to me. It's not the equivent of "playing on easy mode", you still have to earn the fans/viewership you generate.

Also, was TNA given a free ride by WWE when they didn't counter-programme Impact on Spike? Was it easy for them to do over a million viewers a week just because there was no other wrestling on that night?

I wouldn't suggest so.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:24:39 EST M1ahJWky No.6451876 Reply
>>6451874
>You can say that WWE, from a business viewpoint, has to prevent AEW gaining marketshare by counterprogramming
That's what myself and others are saying yes.

Ok fine, I was wrong to say 'free ride'; they still have to earn viewers. It was shorthand for "they don't want another wrestling show to take away potential viewers from the already existing wrestling fanbase."
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Chii Tomiya - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:37:26 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6451882 Reply
>>6451876
>they don't want another wrestling show to take away potential viewers from the already existing wrestling fanbase
WWE could move NXT to Tuesday nights and stop worrying about that because, as we've seen with the ratings, that move wouldn't exactly do much to help Dynamite reach Raw- or Smackdown-level ratings.

You're doing an awful lot of defending WWE's move to basically wreck NXT for the sake of keeping Dynamite from getting a million viewers every week. If Vince doesn't like that AEW could get within earshot of Raw's current viewership levels by running "unopposed", maybe he should try booking better shows instead of trying to kneecap The Elite with a black-and-yellow crowbar.
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Henry O. Godwinn - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:40:35 EST RJFgXJpp No.6451886 Reply
>>6451858
>AEW's success ain't being affected
it's worth pointing out that the exact same metrics that prove AEW's success, like demo numbers and TV exec praise, also demonstrably prove that Smackdown on Fox *IS* successful. and just by sheer numbers it is the biggest wrestling show in the world.

Even Meltz just said this past week that its likely that WWE gets a rights fee INCREASE in spite of declining ratings. And the response in this thread "but AEW will still be a thorn in their side when negotiating"

And that's what NXT is. A thorn in AEW's side. AEW may still be doing well but it's been shown that they could be doing *even better* were it not for NXT. Without NXT, AEW might be getting 1 million consistently. But they're not. And that's something that *could* be a thorn in their side in future negotiations, in the way that AEW *could* be a thorn in the side of future Raw & Smackdown negotiations.

If you want to say that AEW is chipping away at Raw/SD, then you have to recognize that NXT is chipping away at AEW.

So why would Vince choose to stop being a thorn in AEW's side? He doesn't give a fuck if you think it's ruined NXT. He doesn't care what you think. He still has the biggest wrestling show in the world.
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Henry O. Godwinn - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:42:08 EST RJFgXJpp No.6451887 Reply
>>6451882
>maybe he should try booking better shows instead of trying to kneecap The Elite with a black-and-yellow crowbar.
That has never been his M.O. going back to the 80s territories.

@ him on Twitter and tell him how to run his business.
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Chii Tomiya - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:45:14 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6451890 Reply
>>6451886
>AEW *could* be a thorn in the side of future Raw & Smackdown negotiations\
HOW? You just said, in the same post, that Smackdown on Fox is successful enough to warrant a possible increase in WWE's rights fees when the contracts come up for renewal. How would AEW getting a million viewers on basic cable on a Wednesday affect WWE getting double that number on network TV on a Friday (or, on average, on basic cable on a Monday)?

And if AEW really could decrease WWE's ratings on Mondays and Fridays, that says more about the quality of Raw and Smackdown than anything else.
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Henry O. Godwinn - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:50:14 EST RJFgXJpp No.6451893 Reply
>>6451890
>HOW?
ask this guy? >>6449330
But the basic logic is why would USA or Fox pay the same amount of money for WWE when they see that AEW can get comparable ratings for waaaaay less of a rights fee deal?
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 12:40:23 EST M1ahJWky No.6451917 Reply
>>6451882
>You're doing an awful lot of defending WWE's move


no, i'm saying the same as you, that they are "trying to kneecap The Elite with a black-and-yellow crowbar". I didn't say it was good I said it was business. You realise you can describe something without defending it, right?


How I am defending WWE when I'm saying precisely what yu
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 12:43:07 EST M1ahJWky No.6451921 Reply
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>>6451917
>How I am defending WWE when I'm saying precisely what yu

I meant Yuu
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Al Snow - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 12:45:27 EST n+BVp4eL No.6451922 Reply
>>6451919
Really? You're gonna dismiss all his points just to reference a stupid old meme like Candlejack? This is why this bo
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Dory Funk Jr. - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 14:33:50 EST rDVsJxRz No.6452007 Reply
>>6451997
>>6452000

you guys should just make out already
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Chii Tomiya - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 14:34:35 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6452008 Reply
>>6452000
>>6452004
You two need to fuck already.
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Mr. Anderson - Sat, 03 Oct 2020 01:18:55 EST SdPbl+Wq No.6452163 Reply
>>6451827
Who mentioned iMPACT!?

>>6451866
Gee it's almost like he constantly makes 'em to provoke the board or something
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Jigsaw - Wed, 07 Oct 2020 15:45:44 EST iidGwRDk No.6453330 Reply
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finally found a graph that had the Impact ratings of almost every week since moving to AXS
this is a lot better than i expected, never thought i'd see them doing 200k viewers, they're basically back at when they were on POP at 10pm 2 years ago, which isn't a lot but it's obviously way better than what they did on Pursuit, plus this time they don't risk getting kicked out of the network since they're basically one of the most consistent shows in it
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Mike Quackenbush - Wed, 07 Oct 2020 15:51:22 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6453331 Reply
>>6453330
>they don't risk getting kicked out of the network since
...their parent company literally owns the network.