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- Wed, 16 Sep 2020 02:10:24 EST wGDoAaOn No.6446387
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But y'all just wanna post AEW and WWE garbage.
Plz explain you lack of taste.
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Blackjack Mulligan - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 02:13:50 EST gctz3aM1 No.6446388 Reply
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>>6446387
Ehhh I'm gun shy about getting back in on a weekly basis because of how many dead ends they've had

Also I have no idea where to watch it
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Zema Ion - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 03:27:06 EST KLw0bX3K No.6446394 Reply
>>6446388

I just picked up after the last PPV when they got all the new signings once I saw Impact was free on their App (I don’t get Anthem).

It’s pretty fun, ngl.
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Rhett Titus - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 04:07:03 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6446398 Reply
>>6446388
I don't watch Impact regularly these days, but whenever I've caught it as of late, it's been a fun ride. And I'm someone who has long been a critic of TNA, so I'm not saying what I said to bullshit you.
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Harlem Bravado - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 04:18:11 EST dyJPIiPc No.6446400 Reply
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goddamn i hate when people create threads like these for shit i love
just show people some fun match or segment you saw happening on the show instead of starting console war shit
like for example the MCMG vs Rascalz match from last week, that shit was incredible
go catch it somewhere if you haven't already
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Rhett Titus - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 04:21:06 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6446401 Reply
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>>6446400
>just show people some fun match or segment you saw happening on the show instead of starting console war shit
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Starman - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:20:37 EST DkRbYhwG No.6446423 Reply
Just put it out of it's misery, it should have ended years ago. Hopefully then Blrg and Pokka fuck off for good too
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Ortvatistadon - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:35:40 EST illo7TfN No.6446427 Reply
Bro come check out the TV Ace Austin is on!
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Harlem Bravado - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:38:38 EST dyJPIiPc No.6446428 Reply
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>>6446427
>another unbeliever sees the light
welcome aboard
we have slampigs, goth girls and a mix of both
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Larry Zbyszko - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:45:35 EST O1RgnBra No.6446436 Reply
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>there are people who completely missed wrestlehouse, and have never seen the swingman or moose in action
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Mr. Aguila - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:01:31 EST 0ALHOx9X No.6446437 Reply
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I don't watch much wrestling anymore. Last time I was invested Lucha Underground and the Broken Matt Hardy storylines were both hot. But back then at least, Impact was in fact usually solid from start to finish. I'd only started tuning in for the DELETION matches but ended up watching the full episodes. Since then whenever I've caught bits and pieces of it, it's still been pretty good (vs. WWE or AEW which nearly always embarrasses me when I see what's going on there.) So based on my very limited but unbiased experience, Impact is indeed the best regularly-airing American wrestling.

Maybe NWA is good too, idk haven't seen
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:33:57 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446442 Reply
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>your Bound For Glory main event is Rich Swann vs Eric Young
thumbs up or thumbs down?

Impact is the most top to bottom solid, consistent, "give everybody on the roster something to do" wrestling on American TV. It's also one of the most accessible to watch between Impact+, Twitch, PlutoTV and their Youtube channel Callis & D'Amore are very old-school guys who book the show like an old school territory wrestling show so characters come and go, have highs and lows... all usually within a 2-3 year period.

The only problem is it's strongest selling point is not a good selling point for those people who say they've been burned before or don't have time for more wrestling or just never seemed to care about TNA/Impact before
If you watch the show, you know why it's great. But just being "good" isn't enough of a selling point when there's so much console wars and content oversaturation.
Slammiversary was probably their last best jumping on point with new debuts and a legitimate shake-up of their world title scene -- all while their tag team, Knockout and X Division rosters were as solid as ever (with some ECW vets as friendly faces). If people didn't want to jump on the Owl Train then, they're just not interested.

My only gripe with the show currently is because of COVID. The Empty Arena, no-fans-setup has hurt their presentation IMO, especially at a time when they were just starting to see a lot more sellouts for their TV tapings and touring different cities. I do think they need some kind of gimmicky hook to (safely) stand out. WWE has the assault on the senses with Thunderdome, AEW has "safe" crowd assemblies, ROH is doing their Pure Title tournament, NWA is doing live weekly PPVs. Perhaps rather smartly, Impact moved away from cinematic matches even though they utilized them for years pre-COVID.
Maybe they could play up the gritty aspect? Light the stage differently, bring in some props. Make it look like a junkyard or a warehouse to play up the "lawless" hardcore aspect?
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Bob Armstrong - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:47:45 EST LjHejvlA No.6446446 Reply
>>6446442
>Eric Young
Thumbs down, thought I would like the warehouse idea or them using different areas/settings that they would rotate between just to spice things up a little bit.
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Necro Butcher - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:48:29 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6446447 Reply
The lack of taste is on you, OP. Crowdless wrestling is mostly shit, especially when a promotion clearly hasn't done a good job of adapting to the fact that there's no crowd. Even ROH has done better on that than Impact.
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:54:12 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446448 Reply
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>>6446447
>especially when a promotion clearly hasn't done a good job of adapting to the fact that there's no crowd

WrestleHouse did do that. They just need to come up with more ideas like that, find ways to keep them going longer, and find the very difficult balance of making the dry empty arena stuff be less essential without hurting their booking.
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:13:21 EST YILbGvXF No.6446451 Reply
Impact is alright, though I don't catch it as often anymore because they stopped being on TV (on that hunting channel that I oddly actually had) and I can't be bothered to stay up too much anymore, even for WWE or AEW either. boomer sleepy.
the BEST rasl today isn't even from today, it is in NWAtube on thursdays

>>6446437
NWA POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR was really fun, but since Covid they just completely stopped everything, though probably for the best overall. I've been seeing a few things about NWA partnering up with some others for the time being but it's not the same.
Big Music Billy has a lot of money though so when the time is right I'm sure he'll have no problem getting it going again.
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:21:30 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446452 Reply
>>6446451
>I don't catch it as often anymore because they stopped being on TV (on that hunting channel that I oddly actually had) and I can't be bothered to stay up too much anymore

just curious if you know that they're back on primetime at 8pm on tuesdays on a bigger channel than the hunting channel and you can also watch it on twitch (literally the same thing as taima) at the same time on 8pm on tuesdays and also you can watch their episodes FOR FREE with a FREE signup on their VOD service?
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Colonel Ninotchka - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:25:40 EST QQesQNiH No.6446453 Reply
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Impact easily has the best storytelling and allowing for wrestlers to develop.
Like if Ace Austin was in WWE, he would be some hokey magician dressed like Lance Burton
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:39:09 EST YILbGvXF No.6446457 Reply
>>6446452
I don't get AXS TV.
I know when they are on and if I catch them I do, if I'm too tired then so be it. I don't like playing catchup anymore so that other stuff doesn't interest me. I don't DVR WWE or AEW either, whatever I miss I just read about it. If I feel like highlights I'll seek them out.
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:00:51 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446461 Reply
>>6446457
fair enough, just wasn't sure. they got really fucked over on those few chaotic years of channel switches and it probably did more damage to their audience loss than any LOLRusso booking decision. Once they fell of the Spike TV wagon, a sizeable portion of their audience just stopped caring to keep up with them
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Rhett Titus - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:11:43 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6446462 Reply
>>6446458
>A magician gimmick could be cool
Not...really? I mean, for backstage segments, sure. But unless you want someone to wrestle in a full three-piece suit or whatever so they can pull off their sleight-of-hand tricks illusions mid-match, it's gonna be pretty goddamned awkward when their entire gimmick is basically tossed out the window during their matches. And if they do Undertaker-level "magic" with lights going out and all, it's gonna be hokey as fuck no matter what company does it. Literally the only way to make it work would be to have all their matches be "cinematic" matches so the magic power of post-production editing can make the gimmick look halfway decent.

Some things don't translate well to pro wrestling. Magic and magicians/illusionists are one of those things. I mean, I hate being a buzzkill like this, but I've seen enough pro wrestling to know that a magician/illusionist gimmick wouldn't work without more effort put into it by the wrestlers, bookers, and TV crew than the gimmick would ever be worth.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:18:01 EST M1ahJWky No.6446464 Reply
>>6446447
>>6446442
>>6446448
I was going to say that yeah Wrestlehouse was an example of good adaptation (i mean seriously can you imagine if they had people like the Deaners out there doing matches in an empty arena)

But American TV wrestling just feels stale all around these days. WWE, AEW and Impact are all basically doing the same thing right now. And impact are doubly disadvantaged in that they have no crowd and they have the least buzz. There was a time when I thought Impact would do one cinematic match per PPV (like when they had the matches with Josh and JB and Su Yung vs Rosemary in the underworld, etc, but it seems like they've fallen off on that.


I'm looking forward to EY vs Swann for sure though. Eric is such an underrated wrestling talent.
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:40:53 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446472 Reply
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>>6446464
>There was a time when I thought Impact would do one cinematic match per PPV (like when they had the matches with Josh and JB and Su Yung vs Rosemary in the underworld, etc
**Supposedly** the NYC live crowd's bad reaction to the Allie vs Su Yung cinematic match at BFG 2018 is what led to Don Callis pulling the plug on that storyline and ultimately deciding to not renew Allie's contract.
The "Demon Bunny" stuff was something that Allie & Rosemary developed in SMASH and brought to Impact. In hindsight, Taya is a much better odd couple partner for Rosemary and it's been better to do all the Rosemary/Su Yung/James Mitchell stuff on the weekly TV shows.

Whereas, I think the Hardys vs the Decay at BFG 16 and Josh/Scott Steiner vs JB/Joseph Parks at slammiversary 17 worked because the beginning and end of the matches still took place in the ring. They were basically Falls Count Anywhere matches with a (well done) cinematically produced middle segment.

>But American TV wrestling just feels stale all around these days.
AGREED. Of course coming up with a new, fresh idea is a lot easier said then done.

I'm just spitballing an idea but it's funny if you look at the old Border City Wrestling shows that D'Amore used to book: Shelley & Sabin, Eric Young, Petey Williams, Don Callis, Rhino, Tommy Dreamer, Johnny Swinger were all mainstays.
I feel like Impact should embrace the Border City/ECW nostalgia -- not in terms of making old guys the main draws -- but embracing that gritty lo fi/VHS presentation aesthetic.

I'm not saying go full "IWPF" parody again but make the show look grittier. Make the arena look dingier, mess around with the lighting, add different types of retro VHS graphics. In the way that Powerrr was a completely retro 80s presentation for the NWA, Impact should go for a late 90s/early 2000s retro indie presentation.
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Rhett Titus - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:52:21 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6446478 Reply
>>6446472
>Impact should embrace the Border City/ECW nostalgia -- not in terms of making old guys the main draws -- but embracing that gritty lo fi/VHS presentation aesthetic
Impact did a one-off "throwback" episode that was a parody/love letter to pro wrestling in the '70s, right down to the simplistic chyron, and it was fun as hell. I'd love for them to do a throwback for the aesthetic you're talking about. And besides, in a sea of slickly produced graphics and overwrought presentation with LCD screens and shit, a lo-fi presention would help Impact stand out in the crowd.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:08:33 EST M1ahJWky No.6446483 Reply
>>6446472
>*Supposedly** the NYC live crowd's bad reaction to the Allie vs Su Yung cinematic match at BFG 2018 is what led to Don Callis pulling the plug on that storyline and ultimately deciding to not renew Allie's contract.

wtf this is the first I've ever heard of that. I mean, I'm pretty sure it was received well mostly around the internet? Also didn't realise that Allie was released from Impact.

>Make the arena look dingier, mess around with the lighting, add different types of retro VHS graphics. In the way that Powerrr was a completely retro 80s presentation for the NWA, Impact should go for a late 90s/early 2000s retro indie presentation.


100% agree on this. The current set up is just very bland.
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:10:02 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446484 Reply
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>>6446478
what's crazy is that TNA/Impact is 18 years old. The late 90s/early 2000s is now the "20 years ago" nostalgia.

So much covid era wrestling is bumming me out & boring me, and I've been going back and watching old Asylum era stuff on Impact+. Mainly all the ridiculous bloodbaths & brawls with James Mitchell's New Church and all the ECW vets like Raven and Sandman and Sabu.

There's a funny overlap of nostalgia between ECW & NWA TNA, and I miss that gritty, admittedly-trashy vibe. I kind of miss trashbag pants spot monkeys and VHS-core cinematography and sloppy ECW garbage brawls

If anyone is best suited to play up that vibe, it's Impact. D'Amore & Callis have been working with ECW vets and the Team Canada TNA kids for 20 YEARS now. This is their legacy, embrace it.
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:15:17 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446488 Reply
>>6446483
>wtf this is the first I've ever heard of that.
yeah, like i said "supposedly," it was just internet gossip but that match did not get a great response at the time: https://www.cagesideseats.com/impact-wrestling/2018/10/15/17976604/impact-wrestling-bound-for-glory-recap-reactions-austin-aries-johnny

>Also didn't realise that Allie was released from Impact.
yeah they chose not to renew her contract and the phrasing was a delicate "creative has nothing for you" like explanation. Her "death" at the hands of su Yung was the way to wrap up her run: https://411mania.com/wrestling/allie-officially-signs-aew/
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Rhett Titus - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:22:04 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6446492 Reply
>>6446486
:MOOSE:

If that doesn't result in an emote, it damn well should.

>>6446484
>trashbag pants spot monkeys
Oh, fuck, now THERE is some throwback shit.
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Tank Toland - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:32:43 EST F4Q8qUGZ No.6446498 Reply
>>6446423
Blrg and Pokka are not representitives of Impacts fans. Those guys are chode TNA fans. The Taima crew for Impact that watches is pretty chill from my experience. Shout outs to the Impact Taima crew
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:04:51 EST M1ahJWky No.6446513 Reply
>>6446484
>I kind of miss trashbag pants spot monkeys and VHS-core cinematography and sloppy ECW garbage brawls


Basically Early TNA/Wrestling Society X right? Hell throw in some alt rock bands too for some synergy
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Rhett Titus - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:08:47 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6446519 Reply
>>6446513
>throw in some alt rock bands too for some synergy
Goddammit, now I [strike]want[/strike] need to see an Impact MV with modern day footage run through an early 2000s tape-to-digital aesthetic and accompanied by some mediocre 2000s alt-rock.

...Tri.Moon probably could have done it.
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:11:50 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446521 Reply
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>>6446513
ding ding ding

All Hail NWA TNA, MLW v1, Zandig CZW, JAPW, WSX and XPW
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Shelton Benjamin - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:39:50 EST LZ1l7oTW No.6446582 Reply
I made a post a while back about people complaining and saying IMPACT needs more when they already give us everything fans have wanted for years. All IMPACT needs right now is hot crowds. Hell, any crowd would do. I agree it looks low rent at times and they could make some adjustments here and there to make it look cooler, but the product itself is great and we should appreciate that. Also to people thinking of giving IMPACT another shot I suggest a binge watch. This show is best consumed as a TV show.

As long as Don, Jimmy and Scott are at the helm I'm on board fam.
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:44:28 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446583 Reply
>>6446582
>All IMPACT needs right now is hot crowds. Hell, any crowd would do
unfortunately, that can't happen until 2021 at the earliest
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Justin Roberts - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:54:35 EST Z96aJ4e0 No.6446586 Reply
>>6446423
It's wrestling's cockroach in that it won't ever actually die and will randomly show itself to your and everyone else's disgust.
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Randy Orton - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:16:22 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446599 Reply
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>>6446596
>Nova vs Low Ki vs Shark Boy vs A.J. Styles vs Tony Mamaluke vs Christopher Daniels
>Puppet the Midget Killer vs Teo
>Eddie Guerrero vs Psicosis vs Juventud Guerrera
>Devon Storm vs Sabu (with Bill Alfonso)
>Rick Steiner and The Cat vs Lenny Lane and Lodi
>Jeff Jarrett vs Brian Christopher
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Cassandro - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:44:16 EST uWPOtgY+ No.6446609 Reply
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>>6446387
>But y'all just wanna post AEW and WWE garbage.
My weekly doses of lucha and puro shows make your smark show irrelevant, impact simp.
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Gran Naniwa - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:59:55 EST LUMg+nxK No.6446617 Reply
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I post Dragongate and TJPW nonsense brother brother
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Ring Ryda Blue - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 20:08:54 EST J0IgWR/b No.6446651 Reply
>>6446387
I tried giving Impact a chance and it just comes off as trashy and low-tier compared to wwe and aew. They need to try being an alternative rather than a cheap knoxk-off. The talent is there, they need to give them better matches and storylines.
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Rene Dupree - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 20:10:31 EST dyJPIiPc No.6446654 Reply
>>6446651
tell me in what way Impact is a knock off of a company that didn't exist until a year and a half ago
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Curt Hawkins - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:32:56 EST Me2m16tG No.6446720 Reply
>>6446651
is this a post from 2011? I don't even like impact but that's just dumb.
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L89 - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 23:28:12 EST /veYmV8R No.6446727 Reply
Impact is great, but not "I want to see what happens next week" great.
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Primo - Wed, 16 Sep 2020 23:49:07 EST 6IakZFpJ No.6446730 Reply
Impact is literally the only wrestling show I pay for through Impact+ and PPVs on Fite.tv and I still think AEW is better despite watching on Taima and pirating their PPVs
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Jesse The Body Ventura - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:30:36 EST cfWYsosG No.6446767 Reply
Impact fans are the most obnoxious on /wooo/.
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The Great Sasuke - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:21:17 EST ED42PaCb No.6446794 Reply
>>6446767
imagine saying this after the last month of AEWtist meltdowns that pretty much destroyed the board.
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Ian Rotten - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 13:37:09 EST RVuAPKZ9 No.6446816 Reply
>>6446794
And yet it was widely accepted once AEW started shit was going to get bad with the shit flinging and the Wednesday night pillow fight. The establishment vs the flippy midgets.
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Jobber - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 13:45:40 EST 3FlSbuv7 No.6446818 Reply
>>6446794
Imagine gaslighting an entire fanbase because they had the fucking balls to step up and try and stop the retarded console war shitpost culture that has been slowly turning this board toxic since 2011. Anyone who posts aewtist, wwedrone, ect unironically should not be welcome here. Around 2014 /wooo/ switched from a bit of harmess shitposting to threads actively being derailed. It happened to WWE, TNA, and ROH (and even LU after the Sexy Star stuff). Add in the fact the tubes cannibalized discussion and suddenly only assholes are here. Are we going to pretend guys like bad vibes and wojackposter don't exist?

Why blame AEW fans when all the good posters ran off years ago?

PS: Mad Bucks haters and fans mad Kenny left NJPW started a TON of shit in early AEW discussion. It's just too bad this board doesn't archive.
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The People - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:15:45 EST rRLAccW7 No.6446824 Reply
>>6446822
If we can all agree with this and come together in understanding then we can build a better /wooo/ture for ourselves.
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Big John Gaburik - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:32:20 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446846 Reply
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>>6446818
>Imagine gaslighting an entire fanbase because they had the fucking balls to step up and try and stop the retarded console war shitpost culture
which fanbase are you referring to?
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Eddie Kingston - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:54:51 EST cfOXxE22 No.6446851 Reply
>AEW garbage

This thread didn't age well given the quality of product AEW put out this week kek
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Eddie Kingston - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:56:24 EST cfOXxE22 No.6446852 Reply
>>6446767
Impact is the Marko Stunt of the wrestling world.

Small annoying guy who none of the top guys take seriously, but can still distract you into dealing with his bullshit
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:52:36 EST M1ahJWky No.6446875 Reply
>>6446852
AEW is the "DX invades Nitro with a 'tank'" of the wrestling world.
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Dolph Ziggler - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:17:07 EST VoDJ8AgI No.6446887 Reply
>>6446875
That makes no sense whatsoever, lmao. Why does AEW'S existence turn you into such an irrational child?
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Michael Cole - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:21:56 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6446890 Reply
>AEW and Impact fans fighting among themselves when they could be teaming up to fight a common enemy in WWE

sad to see really
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:27:05 EST M1ahJWky No.6446893 Reply
>>6446890
This is what I said when the whole "WWE rejects" line got thrown out again.

It was dumb when it was used as a line against TNA and it's dumb when it's used as a line against AEW.

unfortunately, there are some AEW ultras who want to argue that it was bad when TNA signed people from WWE, but It's different when AEW does it for whatever reason
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Generalissimo Takada - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:54:50 EST n9eKBgQH No.6446920 Reply
>>6446890
>AEW and Impact fans working together
The establishment fears this
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2 Tuff Tony - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:14:44 EST 62CJSmr7 No.6446958 Reply
>>6446890
This. Right now I'm enjoying AEW more but next month it might be IMPACT. Both shows are great and both shows have their share of annoying fans, but there's some good brothers out there who enjoy both, daddy.

This may sound wild but the cross over is more likely than one thinks. Or at least it was before AEW linked up with the NWA. A while ago EC3 was on Jericho's podcast and he alluded to something they couldn't talk about. Last week on IMPACT Moose was 'talking to' the Demo God. Yeah IMPACT do this kind of shit quite often but I think we'll see AEW & IMPACT do some stuff together before long. It's just good business.
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Big John Gaburik - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:43:56 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6446988 Reply
>>6446986
it allows AEW to recruit Thunder Rosa without actively tampering with her NWA contract. There's a reason the two promotions are not "sharing" Kingston & Starks.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:48:23 EST M1ahJWky No.6446992 Reply
>>6446988
>without actively tampering

since when did that stop them before.
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Awesome Kong - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:30:54 EST gctz3aM1 No.6447061 Reply
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Do people seriously not know about the territory days tradition of touring champions?
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Mick Foley - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:34:49 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6447068 Reply
>>6447061
Yeah, one small problem with that: These aren't the territory days.
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Sangriento - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:35:26 EST npmoWSca No.6447070 Reply
>>6447061
The landscape of wrestling has been molded by WWE for 40 years, so it's excusable people don't know that tradition
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Andy Ridge - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:36:58 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6447075 Reply
>>6447061
Apparently. It's not really surprising especially from a company heavily influenced by NWA/WCW

>>6446986
Having a good relationship with other promotions is huge. If AEW x NWA goes well other promotions may be willing to come on board. It shouldn't be an all the time thing, but being able to call a partner promotion for one of their big names to come do an exhibition match to fill an empty spot on the card is massive. The more companies work with each other the more interesting stories/matches/ect can spawn
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Big John Gaburik - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:54:58 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6447091 Reply
>>6446992
since the smaller companies started putting AEW clauses into their contracts (see MLW)

>>6447075
> being able to call a partner promotion for one of their big names to come do an exhibition match to fill an empty spot on the card is massive
AEW already has more talents than they have TV time. what is the financial benefit to Tony Khan giving away airtime to another promotion for an exhibition match?
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Mass Transit - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:25:17 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6447135 Reply
>>6447091
>AEW already has more talents than they have TV time. what is the financial benefit to Tony Khan giving away airtime to another promotion for an exhibition match?

What is true today may not always be true. Maybe they end up getting a 2nd show and losing some talent, maybe they go through a horrible series of injuries, maybe for some reason talent can't get back to America.

As to the financial reasons they aren't as strong, but it never hurts to be able to send your guy to say, ROH or MLW and have them put on a strong show and possibly draw some more eyes. Conventionally you can run big crossover shows, or use your belt to help sure up another promotion's big show, or vice versa (Say having the NWA champ come and run a title match at Full Gear against a mid card guy who might otherwise been in a clusterfuck)

There are a ton of small benefits for having good relationships with other promotions and very few drawbacks.
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Meiko Satomura - Thu, 17 Sep 2020 21:41:34 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6447246 Reply
>>6447135
>it never hurts to be able to send your guy to say, ROH or MLW and have them put on a strong show and possibly draw some more eyes
If that were the case, TK would still be sharing MJF with MLW and sharing Cage, Lucha Bros and LAX with Impact. There's a reason AEW wants talents exclusively. It's a business for them. Altruism to smaller companies does not help their bottom line
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The Great Muta - Fri, 18 Sep 2020 14:46:19 EST F4Q8qUGZ No.6447392 Reply
>>6446822
Yeah if not the worst fan base it has the worst show. I really wish people who watch Impact, AEW, MLW, GCW, ROH and NWA would come together. I wish the promotions would stop beefing each other as well.

Wrestling has so much bad blood that is often almost a decade old. Someone got burned by TNA in 2006 so therefore they hate Impact in 2020 and tell wrestlers not to work there. Stuff like that. Billy Corgan is butthurt about TNA after his run for example.

I see some Impact fans on this board constantly going after AEW and it's fans and not only does that make Impact look bad but it's also really childish and bad for wrestling. All that does is make AEW fans more bitter towards Impact and its fans anyways and the divide grows larger.

As I mentioned in the non-WWE promotion thread (IMPACT/MLW/ROH/etc thread). All these wrestling promotions are starting to carve out there own little place and niche in the wrestling bubble and it's super cool to have American wrestling have a diverse range of wrestling promotions instead of one big ugly shit like WWE.
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Meiko Satomura - Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:51:36 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6447409 Reply
>>6446727
this is a valid critique. The last time they had that lightning in the bottle the Broken Hardys era

One of the problems with Impact's very solid booking is it still kinda lives in the shadow of GFW and the Beatdown Clan and DixieLand and Aces & 8s and Immortal and the Main Event Mafia and Planet Jarrett and S.E.X. For years there was always a heel super group trying to take over the company. The Jarrett & Russo years relied too heavily on the "heel champ + heel authority" figure trope.

Modern Impact has had great rivalries: LAX vs Lucha Bros, Sami vs Eddie, Eddie vs Moose, Tessa vs Sami but for whatever reason those feds didn't translate into capturing new or lapsed viewers. It seemed like they were going to go with Intergender wrestling as their unique hook but I think IG Wrestling has a limited ceiling for an audience and in spite of how well they booked Tessa, it wasn't going to garner any new interest for them.

They just need to find that hot angle that will light up the territory... but that's much easier said than done.
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Terry Funk - Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:02:27 EST tjzItcJU No.6447411 Reply
>>6447409
the problem isn't that Impact can't produce quality feuds imo, the problem is that they can't produce, for whatever reason, a main event scene that is just as good as the midcard
look at all of their champions in the past 2/3 years

>Eli Drake
was supposed to have a feud with Cornette. Cornette left, his reign was cut short
>Pentagon
i don't understand why they made it this short, problems with AAA? this was even a time when Penta was still over as fuck
>Aries
actually decent, despite what the hate for Aries as a person might make many people think, but would have been better as a midcard reign
>Johnny Impact
straight up unremarkable
>Cage
could have been great, plagued by injuries
>Sami Callihan
could have been great, cut way too short
>Tessa
LOL i liked it before things went the way they did
>Eddie Edwards
transitional champion for Eric Young
>Eric Young
transitional champion for Swann?

Impact has the best women's division in the west, almost always had a good to great tag division, it has good comedy, but you need a hook. a strong set of characters and feuds that reigns above all others in importance, and as much as i still strongly believe Impact is by far the best weekly show on tv, they desperately need a good world champion
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Meiko Satomura - Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:14:50 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6447423 Reply
>>6447411
>i don't understand why they made it this short, problems with AAA?
no problems with AAA but Penta was never exclusive to Impact and always on loan from AAA. Penta & Fenix were locked down into LU contracts and AAA controlled what they could do in the US between LU tapings, so they would loan them out to Impact and MLW (until AEW came along with a bigger offer after their LU deals finally expired) And Penta only won as a shakeup because the Del Rio vs Aries match got called off at the 11th hour, so they needed a hook. The surprise Penta win was how to do it.

>>Johnny Impact - straight up unremarkable
i guess but to be fair, he ticked all the boxes for what they needed in a champ at the time and he even had his Survivor crossover fame to cash in on.

>>Sami Callihan - could have been great, cut way too short
supposedly the plan was always Sami vs Tessa to kickoff the AXS era but when the buyout talks stalled, it stalled that plan. The original plan was for Anthem to buy AXS and announce it at Slammiversary 2019 and then move Impact to AXS that summer. Had everything gone according to plan originally, Sami still would have won the world title at the first AXS episode (which would have been in July) and then probably carry it to BFG to drop it to Tessa.

>>Eddie Edwards - transitional champion for Eric Young
i kind of hate this tbh. I am an Eddie mark and would have preferred Eddie carry the belt til at least BFG. EY is a fine heel but he still has some "wwe dark match" stink on him imo. I know he's talented but he was soooo misused in WWE and I feel like he needed some more character rehab before becoming Impact's top heel.
The feud with Swann is fine but maybe it should have simmered on the BFG undercard while Eddie has a good competitive title match in the main event against Ken Shamrock

>transitional champion for Swann?
I don't know where they're going with Swann but they were building him as world title contender right before he broke his leg

To me, all signs point to MOOSE to turn face, leave the TNA belt in the past and finally be the guy that dethrones EY and becomes Impact's hero.
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Mr. Fuji - Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:33:00 EST SEUGJgZH No.6447509 Reply
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>>6447411
The feuds in Impact can definitely hit or miss. Feuds were the best thing about OvE, that was their gimmick. But for every OvE, you get anything with the Tribunal. Somehow Impact managed to botch The promising feud between BDC and The Rising. And that was in a period when Impact really needed a good tag feud.
The list of champs is pretty spot on. E Li Drake was pretty much headed out the door anyway. But he says he's still cool with Nordholm. Go figure.
Aries is really under rated. His attitude pisses people off. Well, good! His only problem is getting motivated. Get him a title run, and he's nails. No straps-no motivation. Remember, it was Aries who got off the "three words". And the promos he was cutting on MOOSE were daggers.
Didn't like Johnny. Except when Kongo Kong lawn darted him. Though when he was 9/10 out the door post-title run, he started getting goofy. I might like him for that-if we got enough of it.
Cage, killed it early on. Showed both EC3 and Bobby Lashley the door. He wins X-Div. He gets to the World level, and it's ouch ouch ouch ouch ohhaiElgin ouch ouch ouch. Dude got jinxed. No one's lower lip gets split as much as Cage.
I don't even want to talk about Tessa. For all the build and the push.
EY, the last time he was Impact champ, I'm pretty sure it was still TNA, and he was in goofball face mode. Then, he loses his mind and tries to kill Kurt Angle with a jumping piledriver off the turnbuckle. Then, he starts messing with-and stealing Sarge's prosthetic leg. The crazy EY that would end his run before jumping.
People saying get rid of the 'e "jobber stench". Nice phrase.

The Impact world title doesn't seem to stay with anyone for long, especially the last few years. Some folks want them to put it on a superstar long term, some don't mind the turrnover rate.

It happens.
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Mr. Fuji - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 00:40:34 EST SEUGJgZH No.6447517 Reply
>>6447423
Way too early to turn MOOSE face now. He's turned enough to become Beeg Jr. Keep him a heel for a good long run. He's been around for almost 5 years now.
For all the shit Mike Bennett takes, it was him who basically got MOOSE to come over in the first place anyway.
Keep MOOSE a heel. He's best that way. Aries destroyed his last face run.
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Conor O'Brian - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 03:13:29 EST jE+cBOPo No.6447520 Reply
>>6446387

Generally speaking, I will never understand why everything has to be a fucking console wars-style fight. I don't even understand it when it's console wars. Just do your own thing for your own gay little reasons and shut the fuck up. Because if we're really being honest, wrestling in fucking general is tasteless and right now NONE of it is actually that good.
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Bo Dupp - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 04:19:25 EST 4zJo/ELj No.6447524 Reply
>>6447520
>I will never understand why everything has to be a fucking console wars-style fight.
Tribalism is a hell of a thing.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 04:38:46 EST M1ahJWky No.6447531 Reply
>>6447509
>Aries is really under rated. His attitude pisses people off. Well, good!


Aries and Low Ki and no worse in attitude than Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. The only difference is they didn't kiss Triple H's ass hard enough when they came to WWE.
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Matt Striker - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 06:23:43 EST RgpMBobH No.6447546 Reply
>>6447531
>Aries
Wasn't he accused of sexual misconduct recently? And sorta didn't really deny it?
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Stinky the Homeless Guy - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 07:16:45 EST v+E41uU7 No.6447550 Reply
>>6447531
>Aries and Low Ki and no worse in attitude than Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn
If that were true theyd still have jobs bro dont be stupid
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Justin King - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 07:33:50 EST n9eKBgQH No.6447556 Reply
>>6447554
Ok? Your original post was about Ownes and Sami having the same attitude as an alleged wannabe rapist
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Attache - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 07:39:31 EST l0JBV0q4 No.6447558 Reply
>>6446387
Reminder that this is exactly the type of obnoxious behaviour other people accuse AEW fans of engaging in but they never do.
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Papaya - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 07:41:36 EST dYhrmb6W No.6447559 Reply
>>6447531
Low-Ki has such an ego that he's been blackballed from rinky-dink, small time indies for stiffing guys and refusing to job. He's eventually fired from practically every promotion he works for, and he's burned countless bridges in the last 20+ years. His lack of success has nothing to do with not kissing Vince McMahon's ass. The guy's been given a million opportunities and he flushed them all away because he thinks he deserves to be some big time main eventer. Vince McMahon has nothing to do with Impact, ROH, PWG, or NJPW refusing to work with him anymore. History shows he's an awful guy to work with.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 08:11:46 EST M1ahJWky No.6447561 Reply
>>6447559
to be fair the things around wrestlemania weekend last year seemed like him being an asshole
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 08:21:29 EST M1ahJWky No.6447563 Reply
>>6447559
I take back what I said about Low Ki, but Aries did nothing to warrant gettting fired by WWE.
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Billy Kidman - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 08:35:20 EST tVx0XYk5 No.6447565 Reply
Aries is an abrasive, Qanon dipshit
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Matt Striker - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 09:30:01 EST RgpMBobH No.6447572 Reply
>>6447563
Okay? That doesn't really change that Aries is a shitty person & I don't think anyone was saying that Austin Aries deserved to get fired by WWE when he did (even though he does deserve to lose any spot he had in a major fed, tbh)
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Paul Roma - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 13:54:41 EST QQesQNiH No.6447595 Reply
>>6447593
You do know WWE is currently booked by a man that grew up in the south, right?
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RelliK - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 14:10:59 EST F4Q8qUGZ No.6447597 Reply
>>6447593
Impact is booked by mostly Canadians and I am pretty sure it's head office is in Canada too
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Lillian Garcia - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 23:40:01 EST SEUGJgZH No.6447849 Reply
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>>6447593
I really don't want to make it feel like i'm adding to a dogpile here...but....
As a few have already said, yeah, Impact is basically a Canadianist company now eh. But they have ties with a lot of places-places they can't go thanks to the um, no way I can say it without pissing off people on all sides, but what everyone on the planet has been worried about since oh, about February or so.
But though Impact has good ties with many of these places, it hasn't been until the past few weeks that talent has actually traveled to these shows. Canadianist shows are starting up too. Thanks to D'Amore, you know there's a BCW tie, and Ethan Page's A1 is tied in too, just to name a few. When travel is relaxed, and shows start going again...live again...Impact will tour again.

And there's one area that Impact hasn't gone to much the past few years. The South. Outside of the Atlanta shows, the tapings in Nashville are all that's happened anywhere near the South. Texas shows don't really count, that's Southwest-an area those with regional biases don't think is the same as the "South", i.e. anywhere in the SE region, south of Philly.

Indies are what the "territories" were. Do you folks have any idea how many "territories" the South had?

I'll rest my case here.
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Headbanger Mosh - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 23:46:57 EST F4Q8qUGZ No.6447850 Reply
>>6447849
Honestly Impact has had way better turn outs when they do Toronto or Windsor or Mexico. USA sucks.
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Lillian Garcia - Sat, 19 Sep 2020 23:52:09 EST SEUGJgZH No.6447851 Reply
>>6447850
They don't play many large capacity places in the US. BFG '19 was probably the biggest. But for those shows, they say they're in a large city, while actually, they're in a suburb. BFG '15 was stated in Charlotte-actually in Concord.
However, smaller venues is not a bad thing-they're easier to sell out, the crowds are more cozy with the ring, and you don't have to worry about tarping off the unsold seats.
Even the "Impact Zone" didn't have many empty seats. At least that any camera angles showed.
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Rob Terry - Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:19:42 EST AzLLfal8 No.6447923 Reply
>>6447850

Impact's best shows of all time imo came in the UK. Shit was so goddamn hot.
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Dolph Ziggler - Sun, 20 Sep 2020 19:43:19 EST tjzItcJU No.6447945 Reply
>>6447923
speaking of, why the hell doesn't Impact do more shows there? i'm pretty sure the last tours they did there did really well for their standard
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Lash LeRoux - Mon, 21 Sep 2020 00:04:15 EST tjzItcJU No.6447972 Reply
>>6447971
no i mean way before Covid
last time they went there was like 5 years ago, right?
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Kenny King - Mon, 21 Sep 2020 02:13:35 EST gctz3aM1 No.6447981 Reply
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>>6447945
I imagine trying to get like 20 work visas and a local setup would be a pain in the ass
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Rizokahn - Mon, 21 Sep 2020 03:01:53 EST hTSUcuhc No.6447986 Reply
>>6447945
>>6447972
Old management used to do those shows. Last one was back in 2016, around the time their financials got worse.

Anthem stopped doing the shows because 1) Oversea shows are expensive to do and 2) They were trying to rebuild the company after Dixie's mismanagement and that botched GFW run.
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Mon, 21 Sep 2020 13:10:38 EST 48pp0a3s No.6448048 Reply
This thread made me go back and start watching Impact from the first show in 2018, and I'm really digging the Flashback Moments of the Week they do. The FITE TV feed of AEW now just has the logo of AEW playing for like 2 minutes with ad breaks, but something like this would be better, since it means the TV viewers aren't really missing out on anything as well. Even playing short segments of BTE or something would be good, since they don't have the history that TNA has built up.

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